I will just leave this here


 
Bruce said:
Looks to be an all Stainless Ducane:

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From the size of those yellow flames it either needs new burners or is burning grease build up. I wondered why Weber bought Ducane and then read this interesting article. And now I know why, and why Ducane grills and some of Weber's went down in quality. https://www.bbqdryrubs.com/ducane-g...d Weber used the Ducane,much money on a grill.
 
Except Weber DID produce high end all 304SS grills under the Ducane name and at high end prices. So kinda negates some of that thinking. Though all the Ducanes were Chinese/Taiwan made. But now the Chinese debate with Weber is kinda moot point as the Weber branded ones are fully Chinese produced or 90% and simply packaged here in Huntley IL
 
Yep, I think the moral of the story was that Weber used Ducane as a test bed in a number of different ways and evidently, it paved the way for them to move their entire line up over to China for manufacturing.

That SS Ducane may have even been produced prior to Weber buying them out. But it could also have been a test to see how a higher end grill with higher specs could be produced in China and at what cost.
 
Rich Dahl said:
Interesting, smart move by Weber to use Ducane as a test bed for Chinse builds. Too bad it worked
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I stayed at a friends house in DE in the mid 90's and his dad was cooking on his grill and we talked. He almost made me swear if I ever bought a grill it had to be a Ducane. He loved that grill and had it for a long time. That was my first exposure to "grill brand loyalty". He would roll over in his grave if he found out what happened to the company.
 
Joe Anshien said:
I stayed at a friends house in DE in the mid 90's and his dad was cooking on his grill and we talked. He almost made me swear if I ever bought a grill it had to be a Ducane. He loved that grill and had it for a long time. That was my first exposure to "grill brand loyalty". He would roll over in his grave if he found out what happened to the company.
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I had a USA built Ducane my neighbor put to the curb. I took it and all it needed was a new regulator. Very well built grill gave it to my son and he still has it and that was 6 years ago and it was about 7 years old when I got it.
 
I kind of fell sorry for all those jobs that went away with the company. I wonder how many knew what Weber was going to do to the company at the time they took it over.
 
The stainless Ducane models we only built after Weber bought the company. I am unsure why they chose to build a high(er) end product like that. But they're quite good grills
 
Maybe it was their test for their own "higher end" grills being made in china.? First, you just move the regular line over and see how it works, see how much the cost savings are, see if quality suffers, see how the process works. Then, move over some more higher end products (similar to Genesis and Summit) to see how they are affected.
It does seem like Weber did this with the whole process planned out from beginning to end with the end goal of determining if it was a good business decision to eventually move their base manufacturing to China. I guess the results of the experiment led them to ultimately doing just that.
 
Bruce said:
I kind of fell sorry for all those jobs that went away with the company. I wonder how many knew what Weber was going to do to the company at the time they took it over.
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It started with Nixon's fascination with "opening up" China. Then all of us - from greedy Apple wanting to sell millions of iPhones to most of us being happy to buy cheap grill parts (and Walmart stuff) - allowed the lure of low-cost products to blind us to the reality that has always been there: China is not our friend. They are communist dictatorship that will do all they can to enforce their iron will on their own people, now Hong Kong, and soon on others like Taiwan - and then who? Meanwhile, they violate all norms of business behavior, stealing technology and ignoring copyrights to the point of creating whole fake factories. They disregard international decisions regarding water boundaries as they aggressively pursue control of an ever-growing part of the Pacific.

We should never have had trade relations with this country. Instead, we should have learned to live within our means (Republicans and Democrats alike) and not allowed China to also become a principal lender to our now weakened nation. I think we are just starting to awaken - too late - to the harsh reality of what we have done. We are in too deep now...Meanwhile, we have sold down the river our own ability to make basic products along with the millions of middle class jobs that Bruce mentioned.

I keep hearing Merle Haggard sing in his old song "I wish a buck was still silver...It was back when the country was strong."

My angst has nothing to do with the wonderful Chinese people. I have a number of friends from China who could testify first hand to what I have said here. I want NOTHING to do with anti-Asian discrimination. I just don't think we should help in any way a regime that behaves in this manner toward their own people and now more and more to the rest of the world.
 
I agree 100% Jon. The majority of citizens in China have a standard of living not much above what the homeless in LA and SF endure. While they are better off than North Koreans, the two countries are very similar in regard to their cast system and understandably allies. You just don't hear about it or see it as the government goes to great lengths to hide it.
Even those working on building out Weber grills are likely in a very low economic class.
 
Jon Tofte said:
It started with Nixon's fascination with "opening up" China. Then all of us - from greedy Apple wanting to sell millions of iPhones to most of us being happy to buy cheap grill parts (and Walmart stuff) - allowed the lure of low-cost products to blind us to the reality that has always been there: China is not our friend. They are communist dictatorship that will do all they can to enforce their iron will on their own people, now Hong Kong, and soon on others like Taiwan - and then who? Meanwhile, they violate all norms of business behavior, stealing technology and ignoring copyrights to the point of creating whole fake factories. They disregard international decisions regarding water boundaries as they aggressively pursue control of an ever-growing part of the Pacific.

We should never have had trade relations with this country. Instead, we should have learned to live within our means (Republicans and Democrats alike) and not allowed China to also become a principal lender to our now weakened nation. I think we are just starting to awaken - too late - to the harsh reality of what we have done. We are in too deep now...Meanwhile, we have sold down the river our own ability to make basic products along with the millions of middle class jobs that Bruce mentioned.

I keep hearing Merle Haggard sing in his old song "I wish a buck was still silver...It was back when the country was strong."

My angst has nothing to do with the wonderful Chinese people. I have a number of friends from China who could testify first hand to what I have said here. I want NOTHING to do with anti-Asian discrimination. I just don't think we should help in any way a regime that behaves in this manner toward their own people and now more and more to the rest of the world.
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I agree. In fact I feel sorry for anyone that is not a big corporation that invents anything these days. As soon as it is released it will be copied and sold cheaper from factories in China. It happened to a friend of mine who came up with a bunch of cools games and products. It is also funny how the US has a total embargo with anything Cuba but not China.
 
The "Performer" vinyl decals I designed cost $6.80 each to have cut in the USA, I just got a quote from China for 48 cents each.

I bet they will really sell for $3.50 instead of $9.50. That's not my fault, that's the consumer's fault. If you want stuff made in the USA you have to pay the premium. In my experience of making esoteric limited edition products since the 1980s, people are cheap.


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Joe Anshien said:
Holly crap. That is huge! How many do you have to buy?
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1,000 for $500 shipped. I had 40 cut here in the USA for almost $300. And believe me, I checked everywhere. Short of finding someone with a home machine, that's as cheap as it gets. That's why the decals are $9.50, did you buy one, of course not. That decal should be two bucks, right?

Not only is the vinyl expensive, but the decals have to be hand picked and applied to the transfer film by hand. All the waste needs to be removed and the waste from the center of letters like P, e, and o's need to be picked by hand. No slave child labor to do that in the USA for a nickel an hour.

I won't be buying any Chinese labels for sale. Pay the $9.50 or piss off. I just made them because I wanted one for myself and thought there might be a few folks out there who thought the same. Limited edition, custom designed, made in USA decal should have sold out in minutes. . . :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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Tim Snyder said:
1,000 for $500 shipped. I had 40 cut here in the USA for almost $300. And believe me, I checked everywhere. Short of finding someone with a home machine, that's as cheap as it gets. That's why the decals are $9.50, did you buy one, of course not. That decal should be two bucks, right?
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Tim,
That pretty much sums up how we have all been sucked into this maelstrom. Everybody wants the low prices. And while I think there are Chinese companies that are just trying to make a living (while enjoying low, low wages), we are all oblivious to the broader implications. I admit to being part of the problem. I am having to think a little harder about it these days, though.
 
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