Steve Hoch
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You're the boss!Only if you want to argue about grills that I want to argue about.
So this is the new Genesis
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Jason Godard
TVWBB Pro
That warming rack looks like it extends.
Bob H.
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Think that I will stick with my E330 and Gold B.........
Richard in NS
TVWBB Wizard
Looks like the sides and back are bolted to an actual frame which should be an improvement over the previous version.
Jay D in Jersey
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I'll stick with my recently refurbished 2014 Spirit 210 and 2003 Broilmaster P3gy-1...and our 2016 Lexus RX and ES. Although, still have a 2009 Lincoln MKX in the family that's been rock solid.
Don't know what Weber is aiming for here but Napoleon is starting to look like a better option in a new grill.
Don't know what Weber is aiming for here but Napoleon is starting to look like a better option in a new grill.
LMichaels
TVWBB 2-Star Olympian
For years and years, the same thing had happened in the American car market. In the 1950s, Cadillac could still make claim to being the best tooled vehicle on the road with superior features, fit and finish. By the time the Japanese stormed our shores in the late "60's, they were just Chevrolets with a fancy name plate and the sheet metal on the outside bent in a distinctly Cadillac style.
Actually this is not true (to a point). I worked for Cadillac in the late 60's at a large factory owned dealer in downtown Chicago. Those Caddy's were still the best. The real drop in quality came in 1973 model year. I noticed fit and finish, engine performance and overall quality went into the toilet.
As for American "branded" vehicles today? Yeah I guess they may be slightly better than the dark times but there still is not one I would pay a plugged nickel for. Not one. Nor are there any Korean brands I would either. After retiring from United I took a part time gig with National/Alamo/Enterprise rental. I saw how really bad the American brands were. Many, especially Chrysler products could not run through their very first rental without being towed back to us! The Chrysler products were the absolute pits. We'd get brand new off the truck. And by 200 miles on the clock they were towed to the dealer and never to be seen again for over a month at a time. The GMs and Fords were a little better but still garbage. Many Buicks made in China, many of the others made in Mexico. The Korean brands were not far behind in their "junkness". The interiors being so cheaply made that by the time they had a couple thousand miles they took on a certain "patina"
that gave off a smell and look you did not forget.
Now as bad as Nissan stuff is I have to give them credit as they actually held up as well as Toyota's for the rental periods we had them. (typically up to 35k to 40k miles before being sold off. The GM and Chrysler stuff they could not keep that long. Being sold off many times before 15k.
One thing being a rental does is it sure shows their flaws quickly.
Actually this is not true (to a point). I worked for Cadillac in the late 60's at a large factory owned dealer in downtown Chicago. Those Caddy's were still the best. The real drop in quality came in 1973 model year. I noticed fit and finish, engine performance and overall quality went into the toilet.
As for American "branded" vehicles today? Yeah I guess they may be slightly better than the dark times but there still is not one I would pay a plugged nickel for. Not one. Nor are there any Korean brands I would either. After retiring from United I took a part time gig with National/Alamo/Enterprise rental. I saw how really bad the American brands were. Many, especially Chrysler products could not run through their very first rental without being towed back to us! The Chrysler products were the absolute pits. We'd get brand new off the truck. And by 200 miles on the clock they were towed to the dealer and never to be seen again for over a month at a time. The GMs and Fords were a little better but still garbage. Many Buicks made in China, many of the others made in Mexico. The Korean brands were not far behind in their "junkness". The interiors being so cheaply made that by the time they had a couple thousand miles they took on a certain "patina"
that gave off a smell and look you did not forget. Now as bad as Nissan stuff is I have to give them credit as they actually held up as well as Toyota's for the rental periods we had them. (typically up to 35k to 40k miles before being sold off. The GM and Chrysler stuff they could not keep that long. Being sold off many times before 15k.
One thing being a rental does is it sure shows their flaws quickly.
Jon Tofte
TVWBB 1-Star Olympian
I should have looked closer, but they appeared to be the same thinner cast iron as the basic Genesis II grills have. The one big change inside was the upper rack (probably nickel chrome plated) that now folds out to make a large second cooking area. I also think it might actually be possible to swap out the inner liner, but I am willing to bet Weber won’t sell you that by itself.
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THyde
TVWBB Guru
Aha, it looked too small to be CI, but I guess that's what it is, thanks for clarifying. Not sure how I feel about that top rack, I just leave the hanging basket in my lid I don't use the analogue of that rack in my 2000.
THyde
TVWBB Guru
Mine just sits in the basement. Perhaps I should just throw it away!
Bruce
TVWBB 2-Star Olympian
It if isn't getting in the way, no real need to toss it unless you want to get rid of clutter. You may find a use for it some day. But, yah, a lot of people take them out soon after buying their grills because they are always in the way. They just stick them in the corner of the garage until they are found 7 years later.
Bradley Mack
TVWBB Pro
I’m going to go outside and hug my Genesis v.1
Jon Tofte
TVWBB 1-Star Olympian
Looks to me like a scraper for the grates that is intended to keep you from chipping off the porcelain.
DanHoo
TVWBB Olympian
Yup.
And I'm going to do some rust repair / prevention on my 2016, and friends 2013 and my moms 2009.
John K BBQ
TVWBB Wizard
Brett - I will confirm this, but I think my best bud's new island gasser is a Blaze. He's had it about a year and so far really likes it. I've seared up a few steaks on it and it's a pretty solid grill - equal to or better than Weber's best. I'll circle back to confirm when I get a chance.
Joe Anshien
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On the plus side, it looks like they may have raised the sides of the cook box to finally have some room for the rotisserie.
Brett-EDH
TVWBB Olympian
Thank you very much. I’m seeking real world feedback on Blaze’s grills. Even though I haven’t used my current Summit in 6+ months, I do think I have a need for simple NG quick grilling. And all that 304 looks like durable goods.
Joe Anshien
TVWBB Honor Circle
The firebox on the Blaze is 443 not 304. I just did some research and that seems to be ok. Lifetime warranty is a plus