I'm just going to toss this out here. I mean to tell you, this Performer went so fast that it made my head spin! It was posted for $400, which I thought was 'way out there price-wise, but when I looked at it the guy had taken a 1st gen Performer, put a blue kettle in it with a burner setup for easy lighting, and had the frame powder coated red. Now I live in SoCal, and I know a little bit about baseball, but this guy had done this up in a Cubbies motif...who knew we had so many loyal Chicagoans in my area! I sure didn't! I wish I would have thought to snag a picture for the Illinois crowd in the forum but by the time it dawned on me to do that it was G-A-W-N gone. Wow! So to me, and I will never know, but for something to go that fast I gotta believe the guy got what he was asking. Next time, I'll get a picture.