I will just leave this here


 
Instead of starting a separate thread, I'll ask here. Are the side burners on the 1997-99 era Genesis interchangeable between LP and NG? Have an NG grill that I swapped out the regulator for LP, but never hooked up the side burner, I got the brass part from Weber but I noticed the side burner line has a tag on it saying NG so worried its not going to connect and if I do it won't work right.
 
I usually offer delivery of the physically large stuff I sell. Never had a problem with grills.

Bicycles are a different story. Cheapskates, meet up addresses, addresses 2 buildings away, looking over every part on a $40 brand name bike after I sent a zillion photos. Can’t seem to figure out how to use cash.
 
MLiebler said:
Instead of starting a separate thread, I'll ask here. Are the side burners on the 1997-99 era Genesis interchangeable between LP and NG? Have an NG grill that I swapped out the regulator for LP, but never hooked up the side burner, I got the brass part from Weber but I noticed the side burner line has a tag on it saying NG so worried its not going to connect and if I do it won't work right.
Click to expand...
The only thing different between a Ng and LP side burner is the gas orifice in them. I wouldn't worry about it if you put an LP hose and regulator on a Ng grill and you're happy with how it works because that shouldn't work right either.
 
Last edited:
Steve Hoch said:
The only thing different between a Ng and LP side burner is the gas orifice in them. I wouldn't worry about it if you put an LP hose and regulator on a Ng grill and you're happy with how it works because that shouldn't work right either.
Click to expand...
That is true, but the valves are different, so controlling the temp at less than full throttle is an issue.

A given volume of NG has less BTU/h (1,030/cf) than LPG (2,516/cf), and the working pressue is less for NG (3.5 - 7 WC) than LPG (11WC). So a more volatile gas at higher pressure for LPG vs NG means valving is different.
 
Ed P said:
That is true, but the valves are different, so controlling the temp at less than full throttle is an issue.

A given volume of NG has less BTU/h (1,030/cf) than LPG (2,516/cf), and the working pressue is less for NG (3.5 - 7 WC) than LPG (11WC). So a more volatile gas at higher pressure for LPG vs NG means valving is different.
Click to expand...
Also true, I was over simplifying it as it's probably not as big of a deal on a side burner vs. the rest of the grill.
 
It is actually very easy and not terribly expensive to create a valve that will work for both NG and LPG. With a properly designed valve, the only thing that needs changing besides the orifice is the span (or range). The minimum gas flow is the thing that suffers when changing gases, and can be made adjustable with a stop screw. Other manufacturers have done this with their dual fuel offerings.

Steve Hoch said:
Also true, I was over simplifying it as it's probably not as big of a deal on a side burner vs. the rest of the grill.
Click to expand...
I agree! But from the number of gas conersion questions that get asked, I think the caveat is important.
 
Last edited:
Ed P said:
It is actually very easy and not terribly expensive to create a valve that will work for both NG and LPG. With a properly designed valve, the only thing that needs changing is the span (or range). The minimum gas flow is the thing that suffers when changing gases, and can be made adjustable with a stop screw. Other manufacturers have done this with their dual fuel offerings.


I agree! But judging from the number of gas conersion questions that get asked, I think the caveat is important.
Click to expand...
So many other grill companies make the grills this way or very simply with one easy to change orifice for the entire grill. Why Weber can't get on board here? IDK. It's not rocket science
 
LMichaels said:
So many other grill companies make the grills this way or very simply with one easy to change orifice for the entire grill. Why Weber can't get on board here? IDK. It's not rocket science
Click to expand...
I don't think the dual fuel option is high on the feature list of prospective new grill buyers, and probably most appealing to used grill owners. And there is probably not enough money to be made there to overcome the potential liability issues in our litigious society.
 
My point is if so many 2 bit companies doing OEM work for so many others can get it done I don't think it is a fear of litigation. It's profit driven. Because if a customer moves or has the house improved, it is much more profitable to say "buy another new appliance" than to make a very simple addition of a low tech switchable regulator as in 95+% of say home stoves. It's not the tech is too expensive, risky or much else. It's simply more profitable. Because if you make it a fool proof design, like flipping a switch, where is the risk?
 
You remember the Avis car rental ads? "We're #2. We try harder." Maybe Weber is just too big to innovate.

Also, I remember the early days of the influx of Japanese motorcycles, where you-gotta-have-a-gimmick to differentiate one bike from the next. Weber is well past that stage, and seemingly above it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

 

Back
Top