Kitchen knife replacement thoughts


 
Gahhhhh..... @Joe Anshien, no offence intended, I absolutely hate those Chef's Choice TriZor style sharpeners. The feel of that edge when slicing always has felt precarious and dull to me. Yes, I tried, 2 different models over a couple of years. I went back to flat stones and then to a flat diamond plate sharpener, before I went to a WorkSharp belt sharpener. I can put an edge on a bowling ball. My brother bought one just to sharpen his orchard pruners (about 100 acres worth,) and several friends have gone out and gotten their own after I sharpened their knives with mine.

As far as a knife goes, I've almost always bought on handle (is it comfortable and secure in my hand,) forged blades, and I've been leaning towards Japanese blade shapes. I have a German made Santoku style chef's knife that is my go-to.

There's really nothing wrong with stamped blades these days, the steel and rolling controls produce a pretty decent blade at a fraction of the cost of a forged blade.
 
Gahhhhh..... @Joe Anshien, no offence intended, I absolutely hate those Chef's Choice TriZor style sharpeners. The feel of that edge when slicing always has felt precarious and dull to me. Yes, I tried, 2 different models over a couple of years. I went back to flat stones and then to a flat diamond plate sharpener, before I went to a WorkSharp belt sharpener. I can put an edge on a bowling ball. My brother bought one just to sharpen his orchard pruners (about 100 acres worth,) and several friends have gone out and gotten their own after I sharpened their knives with mine.

As far as a knife goes, I've almost always bought on handle (is it comfortable and secure in my hand,) forged blades, and I've been leaning towards Japanese blade shapes. I have a German made Santoku style chef's knife that is my go-to.

There's really nothing wrong with stamped blades these days, the steel and rolling controls produce a pretty decent blade at a fraction of the cost of a forged blade.
That is really odd as I never could get my knives sharp on stones or other sharpeners and the TriZor makes them literally razor sharp. When friends visit they bring their knives over for me to sharpen. I pick up dull knives from the thrift, sharpen them and give them as gifts to friends. I only use the right part to get the initial edge then the middle and right for periodic sharpening as needed. It also has 13K reviews of mostly 5 stars on Amazon.
 
That is really odd as I never could get my knives sharp on stones or other sharpeners and the TriZor makes them literally razor sharp. When friends visit they bring their knives over for me to sharpen. I pick up dull knives from the thrift, sharpen them and give them as gifts to friends. I only use the right part to get the initial edge then the middle and right for periodic sharpening as needed. It also has 13K reviews of mostly 5 stars on Amazon.
Again, not trying to be offensive to anyone..... IMO, angle control is key to getting a sharp edge, regardless if you're using a whetstone, grinding wheels, belts, etc.. Unfortunately, to me, the TriZor edge feels more like a balled edge than a sharp edge.

Several years ago, we hosted a big Labor Day bash. A buddy of mine who shares my opinion on dull knives (DANGEROUS) was doing prep on vege for a few dishes. I said "Sorry my knives are dull, I haven't had time to touch them up." He replied "These are dull?????" I know what you're saying about people asking to have you sharpen up their knives.
 
Due to manufacturing improvements, cheap knives keep getting better and better. An expensive knife might still be slightly better, but don't look at it as a lifetime investment. It may last a lifetime, but after a couple of decades it will be no better than a $3 knife from Amazon.
 
Due to manufacturing improvements, cheap knives keep getting better and better. An expensive knife might still be slightly better, but don't look at it as a lifetime investment. It may last a lifetime, but after a couple of decades it will be no better than a $3 knife from Amazon.
Except the manufacturer will replace it for free when it breaks. And all knives will break or fail at some point, even if it takes 30 years.
 
Except the manufacturer will replace it for free when it breaks. And all knives will break or fail at some point, even if it takes 30 years.
I’ve got the first “good knife” I bought when I was fourteen, Chicago Cutlery 10” chef’s knife. Still in use, still sharp! I don’t use it as hard as I used to, I have more knives, but,I’m 67 and the thing has never let me down!
 
I did pick up this set on sale.....the discount was so much I kept looking at it.
The MRS also had to have this one, the price tag really drew her in.
List on it at the manufacturer's website is ( in $CAD ) $615.
I posted it earlier, the sale, it was 70% off and was able to get it for $180
This only replaces what is on my counter right now. I had the MRS promise me there won't be any fuss when I order a couple more.
I also promised only to order 2 or 3 that I really had my eye on, so in theory we are both satisfied...........theory........
The ones I want are forged and made in Germany.
She doesn't know which ones I have been eyeing up............so we will see how that goes.

Stamped blade.......made in Spain......not exactly what I was after but it will make a good replacement.
Been noted by someone on the reviews as a starter set or beginners set......
Reviews well on the manufacturers site.

I appreciate all the knife chat here, much helpful information.....
I learned alot in the process.


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A couple of the knives I have in my aim.........
Feel free to share input on these unique choices and I really haven't used them hardly if any.............
I will include the link if you want to look into them a bit more.


First one gets really good reviews, I clicked on it origianlly due to it being fairly unique and what it would be used for.
This is one that is tempting, looks fast...lol
Link and pic.


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Next one.......I watch people like Malcom use all the time......he offers one for $35 and when he uses it, it seems effortless.
His is $35, this one is considerably more money. Want to beleive it is worth owning.
If you have one let me know if it is worh the money please and thanks.

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This one at first I thought woud be very handy.....but the more I look at it the more it seems maybe hard to use?
Looks like the ergonomics are out to lunch......not sure.


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And of course I am checking out a few Wusthof chef's knives...
They have a limited editon model I will post.....this thing is expensive and crazy.....also hand numbered!
You really have to be a fan I would say.
I would think it would be a collectors item and something you wouldn't use in the kitchen.......

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That is really odd as I never could get my knives sharp on stones or other sharpeners and the TriZor makes them literally razor sharp. When friends visit they bring their knives over for me to sharpen. I pick up dull knives from the thrift, sharpen them and give them as gifts to friends. I only use the right part to get the initial edge then the middle and right for periodic sharpening as needed. It also has 13K reviews of mostly 5 stars on Amazon.

Listen to Joe on this.

From the NY Times Wirecutter product reviewers -- Why the ChefsChoice Trizor XV Knife Sharpener Has Been Our Pick Since 2016.

Any knife is a great knife so long as it is kept sharp. Every knife is trash if it is dull. So ebay or thrift store knives are great for me -- if I have a great sharpener. Which Joe does. Said another way, maybe you should spend more on your sharpener than on your knives. Unless you are into the whole artisanal whetstone thing -- which is totally not my jam. The NYT reviewer agrees with the idea of using inexpensive knives but keeping them extra sharp by having a quick easy electric sharpener at the ready.

I'd agree that the hand held manual Chef Choice type sharpeners are basically worthless. But the electric ones like Joe has are a completely different story. But since I'm way too cheap to buy Joe's sharpener, my upgrade is the Lansky turnbox linked below. Made my old dull meh knives awesome without getting into the whole whetsone thing. Highly recommended.




 
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I will never buy a full block set again. I would rather spend the same money on a couple of great knives that I actually use. Best knife I've ever used is one we just got fairly recently.

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Also got this with it and has kept it sharp and ready.

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I also have 2 Zwilling Pro paring knives, one straight edged and one curved.... Need to get a Miyabi slicing knife and I'll be good.
 

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Listen to Joe on this.
Ah, ya see, there's the rub.

The Chef's Choice TriZor edge may BE sharp, but in my hands, it does not FEEL sharp. Arguably, by inspecting what I'd been cutting, it was clean cuts...... but did not glide easily down through the food. I've never felt comfortable with those edges. I'll disagree completely with the NYT on this one.
 
A friend of ours bought a Henkels knife set with block on sale from Target. Pretty sure that it wasn't the professional series 😂
We went and looked at the same set, but it wasn't on sale at that particular store
Pammi and I got to talking about knives. We have a set of Chicago Cutlery that I got as a bonus from work several years ago
We mainly use the chef's, santoku and paring knives for daily use, and the bread knife for her sourdough, so we don't think that we need a whole new set of knives. We also have a few other knives that we've bought here and there
We have a few good knives in our camper, only needing to add a bread knife, which we just might "borrow" from the CC knife block when we become vagabonds soon!
 
I appreciate all the comments everyone.
Thanks for all the input especially regarding the sharpeners.

I am a bit away from buying my last 3 or so " better knives " ....Christmas might get in the way too......we will see.
 
That is really odd as I never could get my knives sharp on stones or other sharpeners and the TriZor makes them literally razor sharp. When friends visit they bring their knives over for me to sharpen. I pick up dull knives from the thrift, sharpen them and give them as gifts to friends. I only use the right part to get the initial edge then the middle and right for periodic sharpening as needed. It also has 13K reviews of mostly 5 stars on Amazon.

I own the Chef's Choice Model 130. I've had it a while.

About 20 years ago I became kind of obsessed with kitchen knives. I read and researched everything I could about them.

What you're describing is how I sharpen my western knives on my Model 130. I use slot #3 almost exclusively, because that's all my knives need 98% of the time. On my 130, #3 is not taking any steel off! Those two wheels are simply honing the knife, which is to say, it is realigning the very edge of the blade. And by doing that, that simple act of realignment will turn a seemingly dull knife into a very sharp knife, provided the knife has been properly maintained.

And this is proven with the tomato test.

The knife sharpening thing is an extremely complex subject because it involves understanding the difference between Asian knives and Western knives, the differences in bevels, the differences in steel hardness, and how all that matters in regards to the sharpener or honing tool you're using.

My 130 is made for western knives, and as such, it sharpens at about a 22 degree bevel. I use it for my western knives. I don't use it for my Asian knives at all.

Instead I use this simple manual sharpener (or honing tool) for my Asian knives - recommended by Shun. It's made by Kai.


I don't use slot #1 though.

If I want to take steel off a western knife, I sometimes use this for convenience:


It also works nicely for honing, but again, I don't use it for my Asian knives.

The XV sharpens at 15 degrees, and the manufacturer makes it a point to make that fact abundantly clear on the face of the sharpener. That's a good thing.

Because if you take a typical western knife and try to hone it with the XV, it's not going to work very well because the blade area is too fat to fit into the slot wheel correctly. But if one uses slot #1 which grinds, one can eventually achieve sharpness, but it's at the expense of removing a lot of steel. And when one is done, it's no longer a 22 degree bevel.

The old school thinking was you don't want a 15 degree bevel on a western knife because it gets dull too quickly since the steel is soft.

But that idea has changed over the years/decades, and now it seems some manufacturers are making soft-steel western knives with 15 degree bevels! Why?

It seems the reason is, it's a sharper knife! Which is kind of obvious. But to keep it sharp, you have to hone it constantly - at least daily.

So I bought my wife a western style (i.e. soft steel) santoku a couple years ago which was actually an Asian (Chinese) knife, but it was relatively cheap. It was cheap because it wasn't made from Japanese steel. It is a softer steel, which made it cheaper. She wanted a cheap one that she could abuse.

And so, so far so good! Just hone it often. That's all you have to do. I examined it yesterday and she has no chips in it! That's because the steel is so soft. And yet it's still very sharp.

So apparently, over the years, knives have evolved to include 15 degree bevels on soft-steel western knives! And it seems to be a good thing!
 
Darryl. I've had that Wüsthof 10" Beef Slicer in my Amazon (UK) "Save It For Later" basket for a few weeks. The other day I got a notification that it had been reduced to £99, ($128). I need a brisket slicing knife in my life. That Amici 1814 is pretty. But too rich for my blood. I've always wanted to own a Damascus style knife too. It's nearly Xmas or my birthday is in February.....just sayin'. ;)
 
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One thing I remember from watching some cooking show was to use the back of the knife to scrape whatever your dicing on a cutting board into a bowl or pot.
Using the blade causes it to dull faster.
That’s what the back is for.
 

 

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