I for one am a victim of the "free" or substantially low price. Because then I load a couple hundred in flavorizer bars, burners and grates into them. Not to mention the scrubbing, painting, staining, polyurethane and other stuff I end up doing. It's like going to the hardware store. There are no good values there. You're only getting yourself a lot of work, just like picking up these wretched grills. It's why I won't flip them. I'd be better off focusing on other projects and hanging around the grill area at home depot handing out twenties. I would NEVER turn a profit on one, and rather than do all the work I could just give people money I would lose anyway and get some other things done