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Those second generation Summits are not as classy and superb as the first ones, but I still like them. They remind me of a Genesis Silver on steroids! Don’t ask my opinion about the current ones.

I am really hoping Weber will go back to their roots with the next Summit and put out something classic, solidly built and not just another also-ran, bland looking, all stainless grill.
 
Jon Tofte said:
Those second generation Summits are not as classy and superb as the first ones, but I still like them. They remind me of a Genesis Silver on steroids! Don’t ask my opinion about the current ones.

I am really hoping Weber will go back to their roots with the next Summit and put out something classic, solidly built and not just another also-ran, bland looking, all stainless grill.
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I think those days are gone, Jon, but who really knows? Weber bought that tech company and will no doubt expand upon the iGrill platform.

I'm sure that you have noticed that nearly everyone has a phone in their hand these days. I'm no different...I take my tablet everywhere because I have a library of books on it. Younger folks take the kids somewhere and if the kids start getting fussy they stick a phone in their hand to keep them occupied. The grill of the future will not be the old, solidly built models, but likely a shiny technological wonder with over-the-air firmware updates. I rely on my Smoke and my Meater to monitor my grilling...I see those being incorporated into the Weber lineup in some fashion, and maybe a built-in camera or two that links to an Instagram account so you can live stream your cooks and show your friends how yummy dinner looks. I envision being able to control the grill temp remotely at some point like you can with a coal burner today. I see a potential for people wanting to update their grills as they get older not because they wear out, but because they want the latest and best tech, the same way that people want the latest phones with 5 cameras built-in (my grandson has one).

I think we belong to a different era.
 
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I have a picture of my 17yo grandson cooking his first hamburgers turkeyburgers on the Q320 that I cleaned up for them. He's on the phone texting, of course. He's told me he's not really into the whole outdoor grilling thing but maybe when he gets older ("It's a Dad thing.") I told him if he learns how to cook just the basics he will be invited to go with his friends everywhere...everybody likes to eat but fewer like to cook.
 
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Ed,
You are almost certainly right. However, I think it is possible to merge high tech with some warmth and class. I could see this first Weber Summit updated with digital whatever and phone app usability without turning it into a bland all silver grill. I love this ad:


(p.s. If anyone is interested, I had a small run of these printed on glossy paper. They aren’t perfect as the images are not crystal clear, but they are still nice. For us old-schoolers, there is still something nice about holding paper. If you are interested in one, PM me.)

I also think that there are some millennials who would enjoy having classic craftsmanship such as a well restored wood slat Genesis. I hope so, anyway, because I have hoarded a lot of parts banking on that theory😯!
 
Jon Tofte said:
Ed,
You are almost certainly right. However, I think it is possible to merge high tech with some warmth and class. I could see this first Weber Summit updated with digital whatever and phone app usability without turning it into a bland all silver grill. I love this ad:


(p.s. If anyone is interested, I had a small run of these printed on glossy paper. They aren’t perfect as the images are not crystal clear, but they are still nice. For us old-schoolers, there is still something nice about holding paper. If you are interested in one, PM me.)

I also think that there are some millennials who would enjoy having classic craftsmanship such as a well restored wood slat Genesis. I hope so, anyway, because I have hoarded a lot of parts banking on that theory😯!
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I'm sure there are some (millennials who enjoy craftsmanship), but most enjoy video games and Door Dash better. I think there will be a market for the classics for some time yet but I think the appeal is mostly out of nostalgia. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just old...what is the average age of people who buy the flip grills?

My grandson can put away two orders of chili cheese fries before I finish a corn dog. When he swallows the food doesn't even hit the sides going down.
 
Was at my moms and decided to do a little cleaning on her grill.

Thank you everyone for the tips and suggestions all over the place. The 0000 steel wool on the outside and the single edge razor on the inside cleaned the lid pretty well.

It's on a deck and moving it wasn't possible today.

And I started last night in the dark so I didn't get a good before...

This was after a long 0000 scrub in the dark. Still needed more this morning.


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It wasn't too bad inside, but still...

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Not bad for a hour or so.

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Very nice clean-up! I'm sure she is very happy!

As far as the tech stuff, and I am not a millenial I am older than that, may I suggest the Meater thermometer? It runs off an app, which I don't love but I do like it a lot for its functionality. It does have a lot to offer a millenial or a phone app person, and it also teaches you how to grill while you are grilling.

Off to grab a pork loin to grill, and time to begin the overnight dry brine for tomorrow's rotisserie chicken, featuring the Turbo Trusser!
 
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Now that sounds delicious
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Oh it WAS! Sorry no photos. Did a heavy black pepper crust with a bit of kosher salt. My All Clad stainless pan (my largest one for room). Pan surface up to about 400, and a quick sear on the meat mellowing out the pepper. Held the meat in a warm oven, and got some cremini shrooms in the pan, deglazed after with a little vermouth, mounted a nice knob of butter, reduced, and hit the rest with a touch of cream for a pan sauce. Finished the steaks in the pan sauce doing a nice baste. A quick chop of fresh parsley and a meal fit for 2 kings and a queen (my dad was here :D )
 
Ed Pinnell said:
I think we belong to a different era.
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Ed,
Truer words were never spoken.

This current Generation wants the latest/greatest and could care less about "fixing" anything as who wants a "classic" product when you can have something shiny and new. Little do they realize their older one is made significantly better than the newer model.

It's not just grills either. manufactures are making their products cheaper and cheap with no source of parts support as they know most will be in the junk pile in a couple of years.

I am currently fixing my Brother's John Deere 14SB lawnmower that I gave him a couple years ago when I got My JD JX85 to replace it. The blade brake clutch is gone so I purchased a new unit but am having a hard time separating it from the crankshaft. He brought it to the local John Deere dealer and they won't touch it.

Reason being...they state it's too old! They want to sell him a newer Deere which are a POS.

I picked up a Lawn Boy M model # 10591 mower recently as I always liked that style mower. It is a 2 stroke, oil injected, blade-brake clutch that wouldn't run for $20.00. After a diagnosis, I replaced the coil/module and it fired right up. The motor still has 150psi compression. The year of the mower...1993. It is 28 years old (like most of my Weber's) and is twice the mower of anything made today.

I love to take out that mower when my Neighbors are mowing with their new battery powered mowers and they are bogging down in taller grass where my dirt bike sounding 2 stroke relic is happily singing away ;)

Jeff
 
I guess I kind of vacillate between both worlds. I bought a new John Deere after moving to Indiana (and discovering, in my out of touch way, that Honda got out of the tractor mower arena - at least for what I was needing). Mine is a cheap JD model and struggles up my steep swales here. I did buy it at a John Deere dealer so that I could hold my head up high when I brought it in for service. I am not at all surprised that they won't service the better build old ones. It is just the way it is. If I could get an old one running I would. I see some for sale in our area, but that is over my skill set.

My main love in grills are the really old Weber gas grills like the very classic Jr./XXI that Bruce kindly snatched out of Minneapolis for me.

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On the other hand, while I know they are no where as well built, I do still gaze at the Indigo Genesis II at my local Ace. It has its good points, even if longevity isn't one of them.

I am not sure I totally agree that all millenials and younger don't care about classic quality. I think some DO like something classy & old, if it looks good. This exchange got me thinking that maybe a cool marketing edge for a well-restored wood slat Genesis would be to include a Smoke or even a Weber thermometer system with Blue Tooth/WiFi as part of the package. Sort of the best of both worlds!
 
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Jon, that grill looks great. Did you do a full restore on it or just dress up the outside? Have you tried the Roto yet?
 
Similar to Jon, I'll be happy to use/reuse old stuff if it works but not nearly as reluctant to buy new stuff as my father was.

I do like to buy good stuff if I'm going to get something when it matters. So I'll get a Weber kettle and not one from Speedway.
 
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Jon, that grill looks great. Did you do a full restore on it or just dress up the outside? Have you tried the Roto yet?
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No restore. In fact, that picture is from when you brought it to me at the Upper Midwest TVWBB Meet. It is an amazing time capsule! I keep it safe in my garage but so far have only wiped off the hood. Eventually, I will do a little with the wood, but I don’t plan on doing a total frame off restoration. It’s a keeper and occasional user when the time is right. As you know I am looking at a very early Genesis 3 that would be a perfect match to it. In the pictures it looks to be almost as nice. Two of the very earliest Weber gas grills! That would make a great backyard picture this spring.
 
If the Genesis Jr. was a '56 Chevy this is what it would look like... :ROFLMAO:

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Most of the new generation want "shiny new" instead of an old POS. They will think at nothing of dropping $1000.00CDN on a new Weber which has super thin steel legs and will most likely drop a wheel from rust issues in 8-10 years. Most will just go on and say "Dear- we had better buy a new one".
I take great pride in being able to bring back most things from the dead and make them look like new again. Of course my upbringing also taught me that(Dutch both sides). My one daughter is seeing the light as she recently asked for an old Weber from me when she buys her first house.
It is amazing how much you can save by refurbishing things. Of course I can take it too far on occasion as I have full access to a machine shop and should also learn to say stop once and a while.

Rob
 
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