Temp increases hours after cook start on 22" WSM


 

Mike_S

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While using the minion method I will dial my temps in while starting a cook. I get the meat on, and everything holds steady for quite a while, about 2-3 hours (I try to target 250ish). Then all of a sudden my thermometer (Thermoworks Smoke) will show my temp around 300. That's usually when I panic and start closing vents. After all that happens I can never get it to hold steady again and I find myself adjusting vents for the remainder of the cook. Any idea what may be going on here? My WSM is a few years old now but admittedly I only use it a few times a year, so it may not be as well seasoned as it could be.
 
Agree with all of the possibilities Timothy listed above, in particular; did you start with water in the water pan?
If so, and the pan is going dry, that will allow the temperature to rise rapidly when the water is gone.
 
Honestly it sounds like you have “run away” issues, like on a diesel engine. If I leave the lid open too long, all the extra oxygen stokes the fire to a point it’s hard to get back down to a manageable temperature.

I would assume you can set a temperature range alert on your thermoworks. I’d set an alert at 260 rather than 300. It’s going to be a lot easier to manage.

For me, once the temperature is steady between 225 and 250, I really only use one vent. If the temperature needs to go down, I’ll crack that vent 1/3 or 1/2 way shut. If it needs to go up, I’ll crack another vent the same open.
Give it about 10 minutes for the temperature to adjust, then reset it back to one open vent once it gets where you like it.
 
Where do you measure and what does your dome thermometer do while you have a runaway WSM?

How fast is the spike? Are we talking 5 minutes to go from 250-300? 60 minutes?

Where are your vents before it runs away?

How did you fill your wsm? Full bag of charcoal in the ring?



When I completely close off two of my bottom vents, I have a charcoal burn that moves towards the side with the only open vent. A pit probe in the "hot zone" over the open bottom vent of the WSM with the charcoal burning directly underneath can easily go to 300F, while the rest of the cooking chamber is more in the area of 225-275.

When I see a spike with the pit probe, I look at the dome thermometer. A true 300F spike should have at least 275 at the dome. If not, I discard the pit probe measurement as faulty, for example due to charcoal burn.

If you measure the pit temp next to the meat, you will read 10-30F lower than the actual pit temp for quite a while. Cold meat cools the area around the probe. Meat "sweats" water during the cook, and especially during the stall, further cooling the area around it. 250 next to a big piece of meat can be more like 275-300 in actual pit temperature.


Lastly, on getting a big 22 WSM down in temp: Yeah, its a pain. Somebody here in the forum told me the theory of lit vs unlit charcoal. Once your WSM is at 300, you have a bunch of charcoal lit to get to that temp. Getting the temps back to 250 requires you to have fewer coals burning. But what you control is airflow. So to get thentemps down, you close the vents until coals are smoldering. Temps go down. If you then go back to any sustainable vent setting, you still have too many coals lit and the temp immediately spikes again. You need to get the amount of burning coals down. I have not found a good recipe yet. Coals would need to either burn out without lighting other coals, you would need to extinguish coals by starving them of oxygen and letting them cool down significantly, or you may need to physically remove coals. Just ideas.
 
Is the WSM new? Until it's seasoned, temps are hard to lock in and maintain

My experience with the WSM is that once the smoke turns blue (usually around 250 degrees) close up all the bottom vents to just slivers, or sometime close one or two of the vents fully, leaving one or two just slivers. That's been my method running a WSM for a lot of years.

But even a seasoned WSM will fluctuate. As the "seasoning" starts to cook, airgaps will occur. That's when having a controller comes into play. I've no experience with a controller & WSM, but many here do, and it does provide uncomplicated running of the WSM
 
Going from shade to full sun?
A piece of smoke wood catches fire?
Using a heat sink like water in the pan?
How much meat? A cold mass will keep temps down at the beginning.
I use a water pan and make sure there is always water in it.
 
Is the WSM new? Until it's seasoned, temps are hard to lock in and maintain

My experience with the WSM is that once the smoke turns blue (usually around 250 degrees) close up all the bottom vents to just slivers, or sometime close one or two of the vents fully, leaving one or two just slivers. That's been my method running a WSM for a lot of years.

But even a seasoned WSM will fluctuate. As the "seasoning" starts to cook, airgaps will occur. That's when having a controller comes into play. I've no experience with a controller & WSM, but many here do, and it does provide uncomplicated running of the WSM
This might be my problem. Once I get to around 200 I close all the bottom vents to about the width of a pencil... I might need to close them even more from the get go.
 
There are a lot of factors that come into play as others have mentioned.
I think the bottom line is that If it is running away it’s get too much air.
You can get a lot of airflow by just having the bottom vents cracked open to the thickness of a #2 pencil.

I like using a small version (6 or so hot briquettes) of the minion method and my ATC blower.
I shutdown the back lower vents, bury my smoke wood chunks and open my top vent about 1/2 -3/4 way open
I can easily run this at 275-300 and also below 200 if I want to get creative with a cooler hot smoke on fish or bacon.

If you don’t have an ATC blower maybe you could experiment with a fat briquette snake method.
Depending on outside temps and sun I can cold smoke using a skinny briquette snake method.
 
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Is the WSM new? Until it's seasoned, temps are hard to lock in and maintain

My experience with the WSM is that once the smoke turns blue (usually around 250 degrees) close up all the bottom vents to just slivers, or sometime close one or two of the vents fully, leaving one or two just slivers. That's been my method running a WSM for a lot of years.

But even a seasoned WSM will fluctuate. As the "seasoning" starts to cook, airgaps will occur. That's when having a controller comes into play. I've no experience with a controller & WSM, but many here do, and it does provide uncomplicated running of the WSM
Spot on, feel exactly the same
 

 

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