High temp brisket


 
Is this the current preferred method for brisket?

I did on the other day on my platinum, but went according to temp.

Should have researched for this thread first
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Originally posted by Bryan S:
Could we get this thread as a sticky?

I agree. This thread is so informative, in fact, it helped change my out look on smoking...I'm now officially a high heater
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And a special thanks to Kevin, Brian, Craig, and everyone else who contributed to this thread.

Weldon
 
Originally posted by craig castille:
Kevin,

I get Picnic from a wholesale restaurant supply/grocer.

They are Sanwa growers...I believe they are based in Miami, and have a Tampa and Jax location.

They sell 15 lb bags for 7.50. The lump is Brazilian. If you need any, and I can be of help, let me know.

Hi Craig, I'm in Miami. Could you let me know where I can get the butts and lump at wholesale? Thanks,
 
They don't. Sanwa is mostly a produce company. In Tampa, however, they have a full service supply facility.
 
Hey Kevin,

I cooked a brisket last night that's resting right now. I cooked it low and slow. I was all set to try the HH method until I went to take the brisket out of the cryovac and saw it was Prime (I've only found one place right now where I can get packer cuts. I just bought what they had. I'm sure there are more places that sell packer cuts but I've only found one so far). I thought I read somewhere on the board that you cooked yours Prime briskets low and slow. Is that right or is it ok to use this method as well?

Also.. I chopped up the point and put some bbq sauce on and threw it back on the smoker trying to make burnt ends. Hope they turn out ok.
 
Is that right or is it ok to use this method as well?
That's correct. Though it's fine to use HH for Prime I prefer the results of low/slow for it.

Welcome to the board.
 
I'm a total noob. I've been gassing on Weber Genesis grills literally since they first came out, but Santa is now adding a WSM to my arsenal. Since it's coming for Christmas, I've been reading here, getting ready. But I haven't even touched it yet. But I am definitely Jonesing to get started. I'm, uh... stoked.

Several folks have asked for a compilation of the High Heat method. I have a recipe database on my Mac, and so I was creating a compilation for myself. I'm posting it as a strawman to maybe get a proper compilation created. You'll notice a lot of direct quotes and much paraphrasing. I've also added a bit from other tvwb pages. Please help me correct what I've got.

High Heat Brisket

The Virtual Weber Bullet : Kevin Kruger, Craig Castille and others
Servings/Yield:
5 to 6 lbs cooked brisket

1 beef brisket, 10 to 12 pound, untrimmed Select or ungraded packer
Kevin's Paste Rub:
1 onion, small, chopped
3 cloves garlic, chopped
1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
4 teaspoons pickled jalapeno peppers
1 tablespoon pickled jalapeno pepper juice
1 tablespoon Dijon
ground green pepper, to taste
1 pinch kosher salt
2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
Kevin's Dry Rub:
1 tablespoon coffee beans, (recommended: dark- roasted Ethiopian, can substitute ground)
1 tablespoon garlic powder, (recommended granulated garlic)
6 whole cloves, (can substitute a scant 1/2 teaspoon ground)
½ teaspoon fennel seeds, (can substitute 1/2 teaspon ground)
1 teaspoon coriander seeds, (can substitute 1 teaspoon ground)
4 whole cardamom pods, seeds (can substitute 1/3 teaspoon ground)
1 tablespoon marjoram
1 tablespoon ground thyme
1 1 inch piece ginger, (can substitute 2 teaspoons ground)
1 tablespoon granulated onion
1 ½ tablespoon aleppo chile powder
1 teaspoon whole white peppercorns, (can substitute 1/2 teaspoon ground)
½ teaspoon whole black peppercorns, (can substitute 1/2 teaspoon ground)
½ teaspoon kosher salt
Craig's Paste Rub:
½ yellow onion, small
5 cloves garlic
1 tablespoon dijon
1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
1 tablespoon steak dust seasoning
1 tablespoon bourbon, (recommended: Jack Daniels)
1 tablespoon pickled jalapeno peppers

Method

**Summary

- Prepare brisket, trimming fat a little more than usual.
- Apply a wet rub followed by a dry.
- Fire the WSM using the Minion method, with 3/4 of a chimney of charcoal and all smoke wood on top.
- Put the brisket on as the WSM is heating up. Target a lid temperature of 325 to 350.
- Flip the door and crack it open as an additional air source if needed to get the temperature up.
- Cook the brisket to an internal temperature of about 170, just past plateau.
- Foil the brisket loosely, but with a tight crimp. If you are removing the point, do that now, and don't foil the point.
- Continue to cook, but not by temperature. Remove the meat when the flat is just probe tender.
- Remove brisket from foil and carefully reserve all liquid.
- If you are firming the bark, return the meat to the smoker, directly on the grate for 30 minutes.
- Rewrap in new foil, adding about 1 1/2 cups of reserved liquid to the flat, and rest in towels in a cooler for 30 min to 3 hours.

**Select and Trim Brisket

Note: if you are well organized, you can fire up the chimney for the WSM before trimming and applying the rubs. Or between trimming and applying the rubs.

This method can be used on just the flat, but most folks seem to be doing whole packers. This method most commonly recommended for Select and no-roll (ungraded) briskets since they don't have the marbling that Choice or other higher end branded briskets do. Traditional low and slow is still recommended for these higher end briskets.

Trim the fat from a packer a little more than usual. Keep the fat cap trimmed to about 1/4 inch, but don't remove it. The brisket will be cooked fat-side down to protect the meat from the higher heat. The reason for the higher trim is that the shorter cooking time will not allow it to render down like it does when cooked low/slow.

**Prepare and Apply Rubs

Because the brisket is finished in foil, you won't get a hard bark. There are two levels of technique for dealing with this. First, use a wet paste rub followed by a dry rub for all high heat method briskets. The paste will set up and be similar to bark, but will be a bit moist. Second, if you want to try for a drier, more traditional bark, return the brisket to the smoker uncovered for the last 30 minutes in order to firm up the outside.

For Kevin's Paste Rub, use a blender to puree all the ingredients except the oil until very smooth. Then, with the machine running, add the oil in a slow stream. The paste recipe is enough to cover a whole 12-14-pound packer with the exception of the fatcap side.

For Kevin's Dry Rub, Using your spice grinder of choice, combine all ingredients and grind together. If some or any of the spices are in whole form (cloves, fennel, coriander, cardamom seeds, white peppercorns, black peppercorns), toast them, if desired, in a dry pan heated over high heat stirring constantly, until very fragrant, about 1 min. The dry recipe will make more than you need.

Craig Castille's paste rub is also shown.

If you plan to separate the point, you can insert a toothpick into the fat seam between the flat and point as a marker before you put on the rub . This will give you an idea where they join when it's time to seperate them.

Apply your paste with the back of a soup spoon to the brisket and spread it fairly evenly. Sprinkle the rub over the paste lightly, wait a few minutes, then sprinkle on more rub, as desired.

**Fire-Up The Cooker

Use an empty water pan. The water in a water pan is a heat sink, and does not add moisture to the meat. Since water boils at 212, using water as a sink will tend to hinder your ability to get the cooker to the mid 300s needed for the high heat method. Instead of water as a heat sink, use a 14" pottery flower pot base. The flowerpot base should just fit on top of your water pan. The empty water pan acts as an air insulator to prevent the flowerpot base from getting so hot it will burn the drippings and the water pan also supports the flowerpot base more securely than trying to hang the pottery off the tabs all by itself. Some folks recommend putting sand in the base before foiling to add additional mass and thus a larger heat sink. Line both the pan and pottery base with foil to make cleanup easier, to catch the drippings, and to keep fats from absorbing into the pottery.

Light the cooker using the Minion Method. Open all vents. Start with a full ring of briquettes. Don't skimp on the charcoal. If you end up with more fuel than needed, you can shut down the cooker after removing the meat to preserve the remaining coal for a future cook. Top with your smoke wood. Because the cook is faster, and since you will foil for the end, you want all of the smoke wood on top. This allows it to be consumed and add its flavor before foiling. Light a 3/4 filled chimney of briquettes spread them over the unlit briquettes and smoke wood chunks. Then wait until the ring feels real hot before assembling the unit (probably around 15 minutes). Expect it to take an hour or so to come up to the cook temperature.

High heat cooking is between 325 and 350 on the lid. To get to this temperature with the Minion method, you may need more air than the vents allow. Flipping the door upside down (so the knob is on the bottom) and propping it open 1/2 to 1 inch is usually all you need to boost temps. Use a piece of split wood to adjust the opening of the door. Unless the smoker is sitting in the direct sun light, expect to have to prop the door open. Sometimes the door stays propped open the entire cook. It ususally settles around 325-335 lid for the duration.

**Barbeque the Brisket

If you can time it such that the meat is going on as the Minion start is beginning, you can achieve a better smoke ring. Figure a packer taking 4-4.5 hours by this method.

Put the brisket on the grate fat side down. The fat layer helps protect the meat from the higher radiant heat. Cook until a probe inserted from the side into the flat reads 160 to 170 or so. This should be through he plateau.

Now remove the brisket to foil it. If you are going to separate the point, now is the time. The point can be cooked unfoiled on the grate next to the foiled flat to make outstanding burnt ends. Foil the brisket (or flat), fat cap UP, tenting and leaving room, but making sure it is crimped together tightly. The brisket will throw off a good deal of liquid. Having room around and above it will contain the liquid but lessen the pressure on the foil.

Once foiled, use the probe to determine when the brisket is done, but NOT by temperature. Abandon any notion of a targeted
finish temperature. Especially because a foiled brisket will give artificially high temperatures. When the brisket hits the low 190s
ook at the clock. If it's been over 90 min since you foiled but not quite 2 hours you'll likely need more time, 30-45 min, but check the brisket. Don't move it--check it where it is. Keeping thecrimp high to keep from losing liquid, uncrimp enough so that you can probe in a few places to feel the meat. (Note about how much liquid is in the foil, so you can select a proper sized container when it comes off.) Check in the usual center area, not the tip nor the point. If there's some resistance, remove the probe, reseal and cook another 30 min or so and check again.

Remember, too, that since you're cooking higher you'll get good residual cooking after pulling. And if you are returning the brisket unfoiled to firm the bark, you will get further cooking. There is more leeway, finish-wise, with briskets cooked this way--if you go 30 min but the brisket needed 15 no problem.

A 12-pounder will take between a bit over 2 hours to 2:40 in the foil.

When it is time to pull the foiled brisket, get your liquids container ready and new foil. You will have scoped out the liquid quantity situation the first time you checked. If it seemed scant (not likely) have some chicken stock (or beef) ready. Carefully lift off the package and drain the juices into the container. You could have as much as 3 cups so be prepared.

Now you have a choice. If you want to firm up the bark, return the brisket unfoiled to the smoker for about 30 minutes.

**Resting

When you are finally done cooking, wrap anew in doubled foil and stick a good 1 1/2 cups of liquid back in there, unseparated. Separate and de-fat the remainder, if desired, for sauce.

If you need to reduce excessive residual cooking, rest the brisket in opened foil on the counter or on top of the cooler for 5-10 minutes.

Seal tightly, wrap in towels and rest in the vessel of your choice. Rest for an absolute minimum of 30 minutes, or a typical 1 to 2 hours. Towel wrapped and stored in a cooler, the brisket can be held for 3 hours or more, as long as the temperature does not drop below 140.

**Storing Leftovers

Brisket tastes great as leftovers, and it can be refrigerated safely for 3-4 days. The bark on brisket gets soft during storage and reheating. But the high heat method did not generate a strong bark to begin with, so that is less of a concern. Take care to not dry it out during reheating. A good method is to take brisket in zip bags with as much air removed as possible, and reheat them in simmering water. This limits the maximum temperature to 200 or so.

Brisket freezes great in a zip bag (again, suck as much air out as possible). You can freeze chopped, sliced or unsliced. To reheat, you should thaw it first in the refrigerator. Then place the bag in simmering water until heated. You can take it straight from the freezer to simmering water until thawed and heated if you have to.
 
This post has great potential. Need to study it a bit, but this is the way we should go. A compilation of the wizards on this site.
 
Steve, Great compilation of a lot of experience and cooks. I thought of something while I was reading . Don't know why I didn't think of this before but when the meat reaches 160-170 put it in a foil pan and cover with aluminum foil. That way all juices will be kept and plus it would be easier to remove the top to check for the meat being done
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Steve,

Very nice!

I would note though that for storage after cooking that the meat is "vacuum sealed" and reheated in warm water.

Also, the beauty of doing HH briskets, is that you can do it pretty much on spur of the moment. (I do them for football tailgates regularly---who would ever be able to do that cooking conventionally?)

And the spur of the moment cooks gives you plenty of practice to experiment with pastes, rubs, temp control, etc.

For the 20 bucks invested in a brisket, you can make a lot of friends with edible gifts....

Craig
 
Craig wrote:
I would note though that for storage after cooking that the meat is "vacuum sealed" and reheated in warm water.

I saw the references to the vacuum foodsaver. I didn't know how common these were among the group.

I have tried to approximate that with zip bags by sealing them almost all of the way across, and then sucking the air out through the remaining small hole... followed by a quick final zip. I know that I'm not getting all of the air out in the way a vacuum bag device would, so I'm still at risk for some freezer burn. But it really seems to work pretty well.

Wouldn't this be good enough for a sous-vide simmered water reheat?
 
BTW, I'm noting the comments so that I can post a version with feedback. So thanks to everyone that comments.

Craig, if your pictures would mesh well, maybe we can eventually get this posted to the home page list.

Also, I've done similar compilations for Kevin's versions of ribs and pork butt.
 
I'm doing my first high temp brisket tomorrow. In preparation, I read through this whole thread, and of course the summary toward the end. However, I have a question. When you foil at 170, do you add some beef broth at that time? I don't see it in the summary, but I thought I saw it mentioned throughout the thread.

Thanks to all of the contributors and originators of this thread. I'll post my results--hopefully it'll be good news.
 
I never add beef broth but nothing out there that says you can't. I've found that the juices by themselves have enough of a strong beef flavor. I've used it in gravies and meatloaf. All I can say is "wow". What a great kick it adds
 

 

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