Weird Effect


 
I knew it was time to lose weight, I couldn't tie my shoes anymore, LOL

Poisons........once you dip into the rabbit hole on the subject of overall health in foods and similar ideas it is hard to come back and not fall all the way in. Especially if you have acheived a weight loss goal or lost weight or goined a gym or similar.
The effects of said poisons are terrible.....but much like say smoking you don't die from it right away........

High Fructose anything....corn syrups......heavens.....I would take double the sugar anyday and sugar is not on my list of good foods.
I can go all day about it but there is no point.

The harmful things come from what has been allowed to be put into our food supply or what has been sprayed on our crops to prevent weeds ect......there is endless examples especially with what gets sprayed on crops.
What pops into my mind generally is why a company can make the same product but have different ingredients in it based on the country and what the laws allow.....


Just an example

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I have never heard it expressed in that manner. My meters read mg/dl, so between 70-180 is "normal" depending on whether or what I've eaten or not eaten (or drank), time of day, etc. Then there is A1C and doc says less than 6.5 or some such number is what they want. IDK, mostly greek to me
Those are the US measurements. Fingersticks and Continuous Glucose Monitors (like the Dexcoms mentioned above) are instantaneous measurements. The A1c, glycosolated hemoglobin, is a long term measurement, over the life of red blood cells, roughly 60-90 days. Both are important, but for rather different usages, and the measurement ranges above are accurate. An instant fasting reading should be below 100. The A1c is a measure of just how well your condition is being managed, while the instant readings are for more immediately critical treatments. My A1c in August was 6.3, and I'm taking fingersticks and insulin injections 4x daily. Yeah, I know, I'm a dinosaur, but I don't find these onerous like some people do. And I can't take the expense of a CGM, but I certainly can see the attraction. I've been told multiple times by my docs & nurses that they wish all of their diabetic patients would take care of themselves like I am.

I can self-recover from instant readings in the upper 30s, but a crash down to 28 put me right out (yes, there's a beer story there.) And quite honestly, I don't ever really want to get below 60 if I can help it.

I'm not on any of the aforementioned compounds, a friend of mine is, and between several treatments & changes, he's now lost over 200 lbs, and has not taken any insulin since last February.
 
I VERY rarely see a so called "fasting" sugar under 100. Though I am not sure if just a regular wake up reading is a "fasting" reading. Since many nights I have some fruit or some crackers or such to keep a night time wake up alarm due to a crash. And personally I find myself really not feeling "well" if my BG readings stay under 100. So, I have my target in the 90 to 130 range where I like to stay and actually feel well there. If it starts consistently falling under 90, I just get "uneasy" a little fatigued and such. Maybe it's imagination? IDK. But, if I can keep in that 90-130 range I feel good, and really don't worry about much else.
I've been wanting to switch over the the new Dexcom Stelo. But, since it's built on the G7 I worry about it's initial accuracy. I'm finding since they redesigned the G7 (not physically but re it's software), if I don't perform at least 2 different calibrations my readings are way out of sync with my actual meter readings. Sadly the Stelo does not have ability to calibrate. So until they incorporate that, it's really of no use. Though perhaps the G7 is made with a need to calibrate since it is made to integrate to insulin pumps for Type 1 diabetics. And the Stelo is geared to folks like me, Type 2 who currently do not need insulin.
I guess I could try the Stelo and use it along side the G7.
Also with some folk's body type they don't always react the same. As I see people testing the Stelo and some say "oh it's VERY accurate" and some indicating it's quite far off actual BG readings.
Maybe I'll get a month of them (2 ea) and run them a bit. If they work: Hey it's $70+ less per mo. And $70 is a VERY nice bottle of single malt :D
 
Poisons........once you dip into the rabbit hole on the subject of overall health in foods and similar ideas it is hard to come back and not fall all the way in. Especially if you have acheived a weight loss goal or lost weight or goined a gym or similar.
The effects of said poisons are terrible.....but much like say smoking you don't die from it right away........

High Fructose anything....corn syrups......heavens.....I would take double the sugar anyday and sugar is not on my list of good foods.
I can go all day about it but there is no point.

The harmful things come from what has been allowed to be put into our food supply or what has been sprayed on our crops to prevent weeds ect......there is endless examples especially with what gets sprayed on crops.
What pops into my mind generally is why a company can make the same product but have different ingredients in it based on the country and what the laws allow.....


Just an example

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Oh boy don't I know it about HFC. Quite a while ago (prior to being diagnosed Type 2) and while I was still allowing myself to have bad things like pop (mostly Coca Cola). my doc noticed weird anomalies in routine blood work(s), in liver function. So then she began questioning my alcohol "habits". And I told her my consumption. She shook her head noting that was not enough to result in what she saw. Then she asked if I consumed pop. I affirmed my consumption of 5-7 cans of coke per day. "Bingo". She explained with HFC so many were only focusing on it's "caloric" content vs real sugar. And yes they're the same. BUT, she explained it's what or how it does in your body. She said it's processed through the liver exactly like alcohol. Unlike sugar. And she said it can cause the same liver issues as being an alcoholic! I have not consumed pop since and work VERY diligently to avoid all sources of HFC and liver is back to being good again. Who knew?
 
Oh boy don't I know it about HFC. Quite a while ago (prior to being diagnosed Type 2) and while I was still allowing myself to have bad things like pop (mostly Coca Cola). my doc noticed weird anomalies in routine blood work(s), in liver function. So then she began questioning my alcohol "habits". And I told her my consumption. She shook her head noting that was not enough to result in what she saw. Then she asked if I consumed pop. I affirmed my consumption of 5-7 cans of coke per day. "Bingo". She explained with HFC so many were only focusing on it's "caloric" content vs real sugar. And yes they're the same. BUT, she explained it's what or how it does in your body. She said it's processed through the liver exactly like alcohol. Unlike sugar. And she said it can cause the same liver issues as being an alcoholic! I have not consumed pop since and work VERY diligently to avoid all sources of HFC and liver is back to being good again. Who knew?

It's amazing to hear.
Many people don't understand or care to understand a lot of these small details.
The liver is an amzing organ that can be treated poorly...and still can recover to a perfectly good organ.

I had the thought many times to start a healthy eating thread and lay out some details on certian things we should avoid and why.....but I never did.
I also am not an expert on the subject but like I stated earlier....I have been doing a lot of research and learned a lot of things that I am glad to have learned....
You taught me something else I wasn't obviously paying attention to with the high fructose supplement.......I had no idea the liver was involved in the process as you described.

After learning about many things I came to a conclusion that the carnivore diet would be an acceptable diet ( also providing a few supplements to make up for loss of certian minerals ect ). It is indeed much harder than one would imagine to just eat meat.....the carnivore diet also wants you to limit the spices or additons to the meat and cooking process......plain meat is boring meat.....
It is easy to just say yeah I can kick back and just crush a pound of bacon for any meal I want........which you could.....but I would highly consider taking lean protiens into the diet as well......or more often than a bacon diet as it has been notedthat bacon is approx. 70% fat.

Don't forget to get lots of your monosaturated fats......this is healthy, how much is too much is something I don't have a set number on.

I find when I eat a diet that is high in meat and veggies and everything else is limited I find the amount I eat is a lot less than when I ate a more... " traditonal " diet........by traditional I mean following the 4 main food groups and what they " tell you " is a healthy diet.
It is either I just don't like what I am eating as much or my body indeed does not need as much as I think it does.
Either way my " diet change " is now becoming my permanent new way to eat full time.
I have changed my diet many times over the years, went to the gym ect ect......but this is a life style change and what is happening now feels like I want to feel......good news is I get to eat a lot of BBQ!!!!!!
I always use to succumb to staying on a very healthy diet....and reverting back to eating junk in my previous years.....I am getting older and maybe wiser???
Real sugar is limited to very rare.....once or twice a month or so to endulge in a dessrt or something.....it still tastes amazing and I have to live right?
Sorry for the ramble.
 
I knew it was time to lose weight, I couldn't tie my shoes anymore, LOL

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I hit another goal this morning, but first a little history. I was 222 LBS May 2024, and that's when I quit weighing myself, and I know I put on a bunch of weight, as I up'd my truckin' to be sure I'd complete my 2024 agreement before the ID snow got bad. I'm guessing I hit 230, maybe even more when I started Tirzepatide 5mg in late August, maybe early September. It's "Research" not Prescribed, however I'm confident with the distributor. I started my therapy at 50 units (diabetes needle) twice a week. Today I got on the scale, and I was 190 LBS. So for sure I've lost 32 LBS but I'm guessing it's more like 40LBS. The biggest drop came after I moved to Shingletown (4.1K elevation) where I average a minimum of 5 miles a day walking Blu, with a couple 10 miles days sprinkled in. Tomorrow I will start Tirzepatide 10mg at 50 units, but instead of twice weekly, I'm just going to do once weekly. The 2025 goal will be to hit 175 LBS and what will be different is that in addition to walking Blu, I plan to hit the free weights.

In keeping with the thread's theme, the weird effect was that Tirzepatide actually works, it sounded too good to be true. I'm not hungry, but I'm not starving myself either, when I eat, I eat well. I take multi vitamin daily, I'm not constipated, don't feel bloated or anything, just 30, maybe 40 LBS lighter than I was seven months ago. At this rate, I might actually live long enough to get back everything I paid into Social Security, LOL
 
This is one of those good news/bad news kind of thing for tirzepatide. The bad news is that the FDA has declared the tirzepatide shortage is over and there is a 60 - 90 day cooling down period for compounding pharmacies to stop compounding the drug. The good news is that the FDA has declared tirzepatide to be an effective drug for the treatment of moderate to severe sleep apnea, the only drug approved for that purpose.


 
I hit another goal this morning, but first a little history. I was 222 LBS May 2024, and that's when I quit weighing myself, and I know I put on a bunch of weight, as I up'd my truckin' to be sure I'd complete my 2024 agreement before the ID snow got bad. I'm guessing I hit 230, maybe even more when I started Tirzepatide 5mg in late August, maybe early September. It's "Research" not Prescribed, however I'm confident with the distributor. I started my therapy at 50 units (diabetes needle) twice a week. Today I got on the scale, and I was 190 LBS. So for sure I've lost 32 LBS but I'm guessing it's more like 40LBS. The biggest drop came after I moved to Shingletown (4.1K elevation) where I average a minimum of 5 miles a day walking Blu, with a couple 10 miles days sprinkled in. Tomorrow I will start Tirzepatide 10mg at 50 units, but instead of twice weekly, I'm just going to do once weekly. The 2025 goal will be to hit 175 LBS and what will be different is that in addition to walking Blu, I plan to hit the free weights.

In keeping with the thread's theme, the weird effect was that Tirzepatide actually works, it sounded too good to be true. I'm not hungry, but I'm not starving myself either, when I eat, I eat well. I take multi vitamin daily, I'm not constipated, don't feel bloated or anything, just 30, maybe 40 LBS lighter than I was seven months ago. At this rate, I might actually live long enough to get back everything I paid into Social Security, LOL
Good for you Chuck Congratulations! Long healthy retirement is the ultimate goal. Is the plan to keep taking it or use it for a jump start and then stop while continuing a healthy lifestyle to maintain?
 
I looked into doing this and discovered that there is a network of telehealth companies that service the compounded GLP-1 meds market, for example


Apparently, some of these outfits will sell you many months worth in advance, so I expect to see some stockpiling of the remaining available compounded supplies.
 
I looked into doing this and discovered that there is a network of telehealth companies that service the compounded GLP-1 meds market, for example


Apparently, some of these outfits will sell you many months worth in advance, so I expect to see some stockpiling of the remaining available compounded supplies.
oof. I'm paying a lot less through insurance. Although my understanding is if I had to buy out of pocket it's close to $1800 a month! for actual Mounjaro
 
Good for you Chuck Congratulations! Long healthy retirement is the ultimate goal. Is the plan to keep taking it or use it for a jump start and then stop while continuing a healthy lifestyle to maintain?
I'm thinking that having a more active lifestyle will keep from getting fat again, but you never know. I would like to ease off the peptide, and maybe with some luck not need it anymore. Time will tell. Now to hit 175, which I haven't weighed in 30+ years
 
39 years ago when we got married IIRC I was weighing in about 155-160. But, at that time my lifestyle was quite different. Last time I saw my Endocrinologist I was low 180s on my home scale and the doc told me to gain a little weight back. He said maybe about 5lbs so I have. So both docs are pleased.
 
From my understanding, many insurance companies won't cover the cost of these drugs for weight loss or weight control, and the branded drugs can be very expensive at retail. I have read where Lilly is going to offer Mounjaro in the traditional vial/syringe (not the pen) for a discounted price to address the loss of the uninsured/compounded drug market.
 
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I take Humira, a former blockbuster arthritic drug that has gone off-patent and still retails for around $7k per month...not bad for a drug that is estimated to cost about $5 to manufacture. Because the drug has gone off-patent, there are bio-similar drugs available at a 5% savings.
 
From my understanding, many insurance companies won't cover the cost of these drugs for weight loss or weight control, and the branded drugs can be very expensive at retail. I have read where Lilly is going to offer Mounjaro in the traditional vial/syringe (not the pen) for a discounted price to address the loss of the uninsured/compounded drug market.
Honestly I wish they would offer it in a "pen" such like Lantus or Toujeo. You place a pen needle on it, set the dial to desired dose and inject. Having that one use injector is a total waste IMO. I took one apart and could not believe all the mechanism in there. Seems like the pen is worth more than the drug
 
Biggest piece of advice on any of the glp1 peptide is to focus on strength training and eating high protein. You will have to track and measure to get an idea what high protein looks like. Use your goal weight eat 1 gram of protein per pound of weight (again your goal weight, not correct weight is you have a lot to lose). IE 200g for 200 lb goal weight etc. A lot of the weight loss and issues associated with the glp1 that people criticize them for can be attributed to muscle loss. Muscle is a glucose sensitive tissue and helps regulate levels. Muscle is always an asset and never a detriment!
 

 

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