Stepping up


 

What should I upgrade to from a 14.5"?

  • 18.5" WSM

    Votes: 13 54.2%
  • 22.5" WSM

    Votes: 10 41.7%
  • OKJ Bronco

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Hunsaker

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Offset (Likely an Old Country Pecos)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    24
I am new as well, and so far I have noticed that when cooking ribs on the 18, and cutting the rack into 2, the problem you have is the ends of the ribs are a little more wet done than the center. So with 2 half racks you get 4 ends like that, instead of 2 ends

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Great insight in this thread. I am too new to the WSM to weigh in against all you long time users. I have yet to smoke on two racks. That said, the last cook I did was a rack of ribs that just barely fit on the 18. Have to look into rolling and hanging. Any compelling reason not to cut a rack in two?

My thoughts at this point are more focused on adding a kettle. My head spins when I look at all the models. Thankfully there are only three WSMs. I could see adding a 14 for quick cooks. I could also see adding a 22 if I opted for a 22 kettle, just to be able to interchange grates.
 
After speaking with the wife, it does not appear that an offset is in my near future. While I enjoy fiddling with vents and stoking the fire all day, she does not enjoy me fiddling with the vents and stoking the fire all day. As soon as I said "more fire maintenance" while listing pros and cons of an offset she said that one's out. Which is a shame because our local Academy sports stores just offered employees of our company a 20% off any purchase and they don't sell Webers
 
Old Country vertical charcoal smoker. $700 at Academy, so $560 for you.

I have no personal experience with this. But should be easier to run than a stick burner. Plenty of capacity -- 1300 square inches.

And it looks boss!

 
Great insight in this thread. I am too new to the WSM to weigh in against all you long time users. I have yet to smoke on two racks. That said, the last cook I did was a rack of ribs that just barely fit on the 18. Have to look into rolling and hanging. Any compelling reason not to cut a rack in two?

My thoughts at this point are more focused on adding a kettle. My head spins when I look at all the models. Thankfully there are only three WSMs. I could see adding a 14 for quick cooks. I could also see adding a 22 if I opted for a 22 kettle, just to be able to interchange grates.
On the mater of kettles, another member pushed me to get a master touch, I followed that and I am so glad I did. The master touch has the lid bale, is taller then the premium, and has the Weber Baskets included. The perform has the same kettle as the master touch, just added the table and the gas assist.
 
I can't see myself using a 22" WSM. Seems like it would a back breaker trying to remove the stack and service the coals, etc.
 
On the mater of kettles, another member pushed me to get a master touch, I followed that and I am so glad I did. The master touch has the lid bale, is taller then the premium, and has the Weber Baskets included. The perform has the same kettle as the master touch, just added the table and the gas assist.


I won't need the hood bail, and certainly won't need the table. Gas assist is wasted on my as well. My plans for this spring is an outdoor cooking arena that will include my gasser.. two burner stove will work fine for lighting the chimney.
 
I can't see myself using a 22" WSM. Seems like it would a back breaker trying to remove the stack and service the coals, etc.
I have never had to do the “hot squat” with my 22, not even on overnight cooks. I had the garage door handles on one of my 18s for that purpose. I never needed to do that with the big one so I never bought any handles.

Now I have it on a cart and the grate is at a perfect height.
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I had the 22 WSM first, when I had 3 kids at home and they would have friends over and we always had a full house. Now, all 3 kids are off to college and I have traded my 22 for a 14. For just me and the wife the 14 works better. She likes pulled pork and smoked wings but she's not big on leftovers so I don't have much use for making big batches of BBQ now.

Seeing that you very much want more real estate, I personally can whole heartedly recommend the 22 WSM. My name for it was the Moon Lander. That thing is huge. I would open a bag of KBB, fill my small chimney from it, then pour the rest of the bag in the chamber. Then load up those 2 grates full of all kinds of meat and run it for hours until that whole bag of coals minioned out. It would cook more meat than I needed for a whole week for a whole house full of teenagers.

Since you already have a 14 and know how to use it, the transition will be easy. It's just a larger scale. And I would keep your 14 for the times you need smaller batches, for traveling/camping, and even to use as a full vent open chicken wing crisping and smoking machine when the mood strikes. I will often load my 14 WSM with wings that I like to cook for 3 hours. After 2 hours I fire up the Performer for grilling and we can have smoked wings with our steaks or salmon or whatever else I'm grilling. Oh, also, for larger get-togethers when I'm grilling steaks or chicken on my Performer, I can load up the 14 WSM with baked potatoes that way I'm not trying to start my chimney with baked potatoes half done on the Performer and open lid searing doesn't work well with also trying to finish baked potatoes. Point is the 14 WSM can still serve you very well while you are making a feast on the moon lander.
 
J Grotz -- I'm doing the Harbor Freight cart for my 18 this weekend. Had a couple of questions on that project:

How much of a gap did you leave between the barrel and the metal cut out? I was thinking a 20" diameter cut out for the 18 would be enough room to maneuver? I plan to cover the sharp edge with rubber edging.

I'm debating circle vs. keyhole vs. horse shoe for the cut out. If I can get the door open on the 18, I could go with a circle which would be simplest. Question, though, is how much of a pain is it to lift out the barrel (even when cool). Isn't it a pain (especially with the 22) to have to lift the barrel up so high to get it out of the circle/keyhole?

Horse shoe would let the barrel slide out as well as open up access to the door. And the cut out wouldn't need to be as wide with an 18 as it would need to be with a 22. Thoughts, advice?

Thanks Jim
 
Grotz -- how about this:

An 18 and a 22 combined cost $658 new. 286 square inches + 726 = 1,012 combined cooking area.

For $800 you could get, say, a Backwoods Chubby 3400 cabinet smoker that runs on charcoal.

20x22 square, so pretty close to the footprint of a 22. But much shorter (31" vs. 48"). Same height as the 14 actually -- fits on a table top. Four square racks that add up to 1,023 square inches.

Or an inexpensive offset.

But nothing will beat the value of my $80 second hand WSM 18.
So I will start this post off by saying I feel kind of like a idiot or a jerk for not taking photos, but I totally did not think to do that until half way home.
I went to my local BBQ store today and they literally had the WSM 22 right next to the Cubby 3400 (on a table) and on the other side of the WSM 22 was the WSM 14 (also on a table). So I asked the owner, Hey a buddy of mine has a WSM 14 right now and he wants to upgrade to be able to cook more at one time, the WSM 18, WSM 22, or Chubby 3400 are all on the short list, what do you recommend? His first statement was, the WSM 22 hands down, it can fit a LOT more food then the other two. I said wait a minute, part of the reason he was thinking about the Chubby was because it has more room. He said that is true if you are cooking ribs on a racks, but besides that no. Add a rib hanger or another rack in the WSM 22 and you got it bet. He went on to say the reasons he would recommend the chubby over the WSM 22 is if you are smoking in cold weather or you are really worried about how much charcoal you are going to use because it is insulated or if need a smoker that gives more space then the WSM 14 but need a minimum footprint. He said the chubbys he sales are usually a second smoker to a collection to use during the cold winters here in PA. Next he went into talking about the WSM (now he just got done selling a Big Green Egg to a Weber Kettle owner before he started to talk to me) and he said there are two groups that buy WSM 14, those who are getting into smoking and those who are adding a second WSM as a travel/tailgate size. He added that almost all from that first group come back within a year to upgrade to one of the larger models (we know that is not completely true, but that is how I landed my used 14 because it first owner upgraded to the 22). He then said, when someone starts with a WSM and then goes to another grill, pellet, BGE, chubby they almost always come back to add a WSM to the collection or go completely back to that cooker. He said if your friend is already comfortable cooking on a 14 the 22 just makes sense. He then asked if that friend was me because he knows I cook on a 14, I said no he said I have a 22 waiting for to you know. I said no it would be the 22 kettle to the 26 kettle that I would upgrade to, he said I have one of those right here also. Nope not today!

Here is my takeaway from today; first, I know from spending to much time in that shop that the owner and most of the staff prefer the WSM over anything else they sell and the WSM's are what they all use for comps. I know the owner loves the 22 and almost laughs at me for using the 14 for daily use. Second, everytime I see that 22 I think how huge it is. The Chubby is small, close in height to the WSM 14, but it is wider. Third, the Chubby looks like a well put together cooker, but you are maxed out from the start, no added racks or increasing space for more food like you could with the WSM 22 or even the WSM 18. Forth, the WSM 18 is big too! Not WSM 22 big, but still a lot bigger then the WSM 14.

Now personally if I in your shoes today Lee, I would have purchased another WSM over the Chubby 3400, he could have even maybe talked me into the 22 over the 18.
 
MR -- spending other people's money is so much fun, isn't it?

The easiest answer is to keep the 14 and then pick up a used 22 off of Craigslist for whatever they go for in your area. Maybe $250?

And then do later buy/sell/retrade of the portfolio (or not) as the spirit moves. Since Webers are so ubiquitous, you're never stuck with something. If you don't like one particular Weber, you can move on from it easily. Not so much with other brands.
 
MR -- spending other people's money is so much fun, isn't it?

The easiest answer is to keep the 14 and then pick up a used 22 off of Craigslist for whatever they go for in your area. Maybe $250?

And then do later buy/sell/retrade of the portfolio (or not) as the spirit moves. Since Webers are so ubiquitous, you're never stuck with something. If you don't like one particular Weber, you can move on from it easily. Not so much with other brands.
Jim I like that, Lee if I were you, I would get a used WSM 22 if I find that is too big I would sell it and then get a used 18. Keep the 14 right now and if you find that you don't use it sell it also. Thats my final answer on how to spend others money:ROFLMAO:.
 
For some reason finding used Weber smokers in this area is like trying to find hen's teeth. I found one 18" about 2hrs away for $250 and that's the only other WSM I've seen in this area. Most of the time someone will put up a rusted out Weber kettle for a high sale price saying it's an antique or classic
 
Definitely keeping the 14. I like to cook a lot on vacations (I like to cook a lot at home too). So, that would be my best option when away from home. I still like the 14 a lot. It makes great food, I just want more of it! :wsm:
 

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On the mater of kettles, another member pushed me to get a master touch, I followed that and I am so glad I did. The master touch has the lid bale, is taller then the premium, and has the Weber Baskets included. The perform has the same kettle as the master touch, just added the table and the gas assist.

The MasterTouch is my go-to grill for 90% of my cooks, despite having the option of both 22 and 18 WSMs. I use a slow N sear, raised second grate, and Weber 7413 side table with the MasterTouch. For me it's the ultimate setup...........easy to transport, long cook times if needed (or quick hot n fast cooks), easy fire management, great capacity with the second grate, and the convenience of a side table.

Downside is cost, if you buy everything new. I have ~$150 tied up in the entire setup; new this would be $375+, at which point a Performer or 18" WSM makes better financial sense.
 

 

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