Pork butt problem


 

Bob LeFever

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We smoked a pork butt this afternoon per the instructions for "The Renowned Mr. Brown" recipe on page 53 of the Smoke & Spice book. Everything seemed to be going very well. Temperature was constantly within the 200 to 220 degree range (according to the gauge on the 18.5" Smokey Mountain lid). After 6 and 1/4 hours we took it off the smoker, let it sit for the suggested 15 minutes. It looked GREAT, but would not pull apart. We ended up slicing the butt. Anyone out there that might know what I was doing wrong? By the way, we are relatively new to smoking, especially pork.
Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Bob, large cuts of BBQ is done by tenderness not time nor temps. Cooking butts around 250 will get you done around 1.5-1.75hrs per lb. Thickness matters, when it is tender with a probe like room temp butter it is done and will pull apart with little effort. Look around in the cooking topics to learn more.

Take care.
 
I cook my pork butt ( 6 lbs) at 225F for about 9 hours. Fantastic every time..........=)
Hope this helps.
Peter
 
What was the meat temp when you pulled it? How you get there is a function of Time/Grill Temp, but ultimately you want to get the butt to 195 to 205, before removing and then let rest for a good 30 minimum before pulling. 6.25 hours seems very short and the poor pulling sounds like you took it off too early, imho.
 
200-220 is also too low of a temp. In the 6ish hour time frame you used, a 300+ would be required. I normally go for the larger butts and a midnight start time at 260ish degrees with an early afternoon wrap/rest. As others have said, it's done when its done. Not by a stopwatch. You should be able to run a skewer through the meat like a hot knife through butter.
 
yea, cook at a higher temp and then probe for softness. course i use remote temp gauges so i don't start probing till 195 or so.
also you need to first find out what the grate temp is compared to the lid temp. then you have a referance as to what temp the meat is actually cooking at.
but one thing to remember is that you can always chop the pork. many areas do that.
 
Nothing wrong at all with cooking in that temp range, especially for the first part of a cook. At that pace though, you probably weren't even half-way there.
 
I had that book, they seem to like that sub-boiling temp as a guide. Did the instructions say to remove after 6.25 hrs? and what sized butt to use? ( and what size did you use? )
That would work if you had a teeny tiny piece of a butt, but for an average sized butt in the 8 lb range, and running the WSM at those temps you would be on the high side of 2 hrs per lb.

Tim
 
I had that book, they seem to like that sub-boiling temp as a guide. Did the instructions say to remove after 6.25 hrs? and what sized butt to use? ( and what size did you use? )
That would work if you had a teeny tiny piece of a butt, but for an average sized butt in the 8 lb range, and running the WSM at those temps you would be on the high side of 2 hrs per lb.

Tim
It was 4.16 lbs and it said 1 1/2 hrs per lb, so that is how I came up with 6+ hours.
Based on your comment I think I will ignore that book in the future. It was a huge disappointment, especially after keeping the WSM at a constant tmp for that long. Oh well, live and learn.
Again, thanks to all who responded. Now I have a very good idea what the problem was.
 
Don't be too quick to discount Smoke and Spice's temp/time guidelines. Those guidelines are for smokers in general, and they're spot on where they describe charcoal-fired water smokers and their bell curve on pg. 11 and then this: "...You have to rely on the average heat level, which can be difficult to determine accurately, to estimate the cooking time required for a dish...With a little experience, the cooking process becomes easy, but many people find it frustrating at first." But that probably wasn't so much the issue here since 4.16 lbs means it was only half a butt, and that means that all bets are off. That's because popular BBQ hr/lb guidelines only really work well with avg. (whole) cuts of meat.

Still, as smokers go, the wsm cooks on the slow side. However, it seems to cook more efficiently if you get the temp up to where the pan simmers and steams. I've cooked at avg. temps of 225 overnight and more like 240 by day, and it's amazing how much difference 15* can make in the length of a cook on the wsm. Maybe that's why Weber suggests that 250* is the perfect smoking temp target. Hit that relatively early and the wsm isn't so slow, but don't be discouraged or too disappointed, though. It's kind of fun to learn how to estimate cook times, and not as hard as it seems at first. It just takes practice and experience, and taking good notes helps as well for future cooks.

Give yourself plenty of time, and if you're BBQ is done too early, tent it a bit to let the steam off, and then wrap up tight in foil to hold in a warm environment for a couple or even a few hours. I call the faux cambro (preheated cooler) the wsm-users crutch, but most of us do it from time to time, and it won't hurt a thing as long as you don't hold to long, too hot, thus overcooking the meat with the "carry-over" heat.

Regards,
Dave
 
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Don't be too quick to discount Smoke and Spice's temp/time guidelines. Those guidelines are for smokers in general, and they're spot on where they describe charcoal-fired water smokers and their bell curve on pg. 11 and then this: "...You have to rely on the average heat level, which can be difficult to determine accurately, to estimate the cooking time required for a dish...With a little experience, the cooking process becomes easy, but many people find it frustrating at first." But that probably wasn't so much the issue here since 4.16 lbs means it was only half a butt, and that means that all bets are off. That's because popular BBQ hr/lb guidelines only really work well with avg. (whole) cuts of meat.

Still, as smokers go, the wsm cooks on the slow side. However, it seems to cook more efficiently if you get the temp up to where the pan simmers and steams. I've cooked at avg. temps of 225 overnight and more like 240 by day, and it's amazing how much difference 15* can make in the length of a cook on the wsm. Maybe that's why Weber suggests that 250* is the perfect smoking temp target. Hit that relatively early and the wsm isn't so slow, but don't be discouraged or too disappointed, though. It's kind of fun to learn how to estimate cook times, and not as hard as it seems at first. It just takes practice and experience, and taking good notes helps as well for future cooks.

Give yourself plenty of time, and if you're BBQ is done too early, tent it a bit to let the steam off, and then wrap up tight in foil to hold in a warm environment for a couple or even a few hours. I call the faux cambro (preheated cooler) the wsm-users crutch, but most of us do it from time to time, and it won't hurt a thing as long as you don't hold to long, too hot, thus overcooking the meat with the "carry-over" heat.

Regards,
Dave

It seems as though I cut my own throat during the process. At first, the WSM was in the 240 - 250 degree range, so I adjusted the vents to get it down to the suggested 200 - 220 range. Shame on me!!!
 
It seems as though I cut my own throat during the process. At first, the WSM was in the 240 - 250 degree range, so I adjusted the vents to get it down to the suggested 200 - 220 range. Shame on me!!!

We've all been there done that. Live and learn. Smoke and Spice is a great book. I recommend LOTS of ideas presented there. ...but they don't use a WSM and so ideas need to be adapted for it.

Try another Mr Brown with your newly acquired knowledge. You'll be richly rewarded.
 
I just cooked some 9 pound butts this weekend. I used the hot & fast method for the 1st time. 300 degrees for 8 hours = 205 degrees. I was always a low & slow cooker before. I used a no sugar rub and did not foil during the cook.
 
What I do is make notes of all my cooks, temp, time, internal meat temp and so on..........then I make notes of finish product and what
I would like to change next time. Yes I know maybe Im a little crazy but the end product is great and I am KCBS CBJ so yes I should be able to tell....=)
Anyways, dont be so hard on yourself. You are doing great and Im very sure that your product will get just better as you go.

Peter
 

 

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