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Mike Saunders

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I just ordered a WSM through TVWBB and Amazon. I owned a brinkman years ago and finally it mercifully rusted into oblivion. After that I owned a Weber 22.5" kettle until it got divorced. (Long story)

Last year I bought a Brinkman offset Pro. After trying to smoke with it and FIGHTING temperature fluctuations, I finally decided to grill on it only. It works good that way.

Now I am awaiting my WSM, which should be in time for Thanksgiving.

Now the question.

Self basting, or brine and baste?

Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 
Mike,
Welcome aboard! Brining is the way to go. Do a search here and you will find a variety of brining options. Good luck!
 
Welcome Mike.

Just finished my first experience with Brining. Did a 6.5 lb chicken as a trial run of the recipe and the new equipment for Thanksgiving. I was IMPRESSED with the results of brining. You can find this thread at Yardbird This really started as a GURU thread but the results of brining were the BEST I have ever achieved using any method.

Good luck with your thanksgiving cook. Recommend you do the same thing I did, give it a trial run in advance with a chicken. Whole lot of lessons learned.
 
Lots of turkey info linked off the homepage this month. Click the orange "Home" link at the top of this page and check-out the row of turkey links right below the photos in the middle of the page.

Regards,
Chris
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike Saunders:
Self basting, or brine and baste? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Self-basting, technically, is already brined-- just not with what you want to brine it with. If you want to try your own flavor brine, find an "all natural" bird-- one that has no labeling referring to "enhanced with a solution of", or words to that effect.
 
Actually I've found that a modified version of brining works with "enhanced" poultry. Cut the salt in half and double the sugar. I actually prefer more sugar in my brines anyway, and sugar acts similar to salt in a brine. Except of course it leaves a sweet taste.
 
Brian
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>sugar acts similar to salt in a brine <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have never heard this before could you explain?
Jim
 
Well, from what I have gathered a brine works on the principal of osmosis, in which substances like salt move from a place of higher concentration to a place of lower concentration, sort of like nature's attempt at equalibrium. Sugar works exactly the same way as salt. I don't know what exactly it would be called, but soaking poultry in a brine with a high concentration of sugar moves sugar in and leaves sweet taste and cuts the salty taste somewhat in a brine.
 
This is interesting because salt is a highly polar (ionic?) substance and sugar is pretty non-polar. (or are these the exactly correct terms? Chemistry was about 35 years ago.) Does someone have further information? I would consult with the bride, but I think she forgot all of her organic (and I never had any, formally)
 
This article is very informative on how and why brining works. Under a certain salinity level, you are only soaking meat in salty water - there's not enough salt in the solution to denature the proteins. If the percentage concentration of sodium on the outside of a cell is higher than the concentration of sodium on the inside of a cell, then free water molecules will pass from inside the cell, through the cell membrane, and into the intracellular space. That's the chemical basis of brining.

CBBQA - Brining - the science

COOKS ILLUSTRATED says,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Many have attributed the added juiciness of brined chicken to osmosis—the flow of water across a barrier from a place with a higher water concentration (the brine) to a place with a lower one (the chicken). I decided to test this explanation. If osmosis is in fact the source of the added juiciness of brined meat, I reasoned, then a bucket of pure unsalted water should add moisture at least as well as a brine, because water alone has the highest water concentration possible: 100 percent. After soaking one chicken in brine and another in water for the same amount of time, I found that both had gained moisture, about 6 percent by weight. Satisfied that osmosis was indeed the force driving the addition of moisture to meat during brining, I roasted the two birds, along with a third straight out of the package. I would soon discover that osmosis was not the only reason why brined meat cooked up juicy.

During roasting, the chicken taken straight from the package lost 18 percent of its original weight, and the chicken soaked in water lost 12 percent of its presoak weight. Remarkably, the brined bird shed only a mere 7 percent of its starting weight. Looking at my test results, I realized that the benefit of brining could not be explained by osmosis alone. Salt, too, was playing a crucial role by aiding in the retention of water.

Table salt is made up of two ions, sodium and chloride, that are oppositely charged. Proteins, such as those in meat, are large molecules that contain a mosaic of charges, negative and positive. When proteins are placed in a solution containing salt, they readjust their shape to accommodate the opposing charges. This rearrangement of the protein molecules compromises the structural integrity of the meat, reducing its overall toughness. It also creates gaps that fill up with water. The added salt makes the water less likely to evaporate during cooking, and the result is meat that is both juicy and tender. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
 
Why do you think I post stuff here? It's not for the benefit of all ya'll - it's so I can find it when I forget details and start looking for it again!
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Very comprehensive info here: All About Brining.

I understand supermarkets around here are offering "brining kits" this holiday season, which include a plastic bucket container. I wonder if they include any kind of warning about using enhanced poultry.
 
Brian
As I understand the process salt is the key, by using sugar in the brine will help in cutting the salty flavor you could find. Sugar by it self will not create a condition where osmosis will happen.
Jim
 
And so the consensus is....

don't brine an enhanced bird?

brine it, but not too much?

What? (I have one in the refrig right now)

AR
 
I think the consensus would be-- if all you can find is an enhanced bird-- cook it as-is, or brine it with your own flavorings for a lesser amount of time, but don't expect the flavors to be as pronounced as they would be with brining an all-natural bird yourself.
 
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