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Kettle Smoke - 2/23/08 - Pork Butt & Ribs


 

Nick H

TVWBB Member
First off, I hope everyone is having an enjoyable Saturday!

This weekend I am cooking 2 4.5# boneless butts and 2 slabs of St Louis ribs. A few members of the extended family plan on stopping by so I hope all goes well. Living in central Indiana they don't get much, if any, quality BBQ. We will see what they think. The smoke has been pretty heavy today.

Last evening I cut the spares into st louis, and I tied/rubbed the butts.

I looked at 3 different supermarkets and called 2 others to try and find butts/shoulders that were not enhanced. The only place that carried them was an actual butcher shop (upscale part of town) and they were asking 2.89 bone-in, 3.29 boneless. The enhanced, halved butts at the local supermarket were 1.19 a pound. Obviously I purchased the enhanced butts. The two rubs I used have minimal amounts of salt so I dont think it will be an issue.

One BIG problem I noticed when opening one of the "butts" was that it was one big piece, with 2 large flaps connected to it. A la HACK job when removing the bone. I guess they figured when packaging the butt that if they made it look like a roast, it would sell as a roast. Being too tired to drive back to the supermarket I just tied the butt as well as I could to make it a shape that should cook evenly.

This is one thing I am pretty worried about. I am worried that parts of it will dry out while the larger, connected pieces will be OK.

The non-hacked butt is in good shape so i expect that to cook evenly and it is the butt I have the probe in for temp readings.

I started the smoke at 6:30 by banking hickory chunks and unlit charcoal on one side of the kettle held in place with 2 firebricks. I lit 5 coals in the chimney. I put a good amount of hickory chunks in with the unlit charcoal. I would say 6-7 chunks. It may be too much, but at least the meat wont be questioned whether or not it was smoked.

At 7:00 AM I placed the lit coals on top of the banked coals and went back into the kitchen to apply a final rub, fill water pan, etc etc etc.

At 7:20 the meat was on, reading 37 degrees, and the temp at the lid was 160. Both top and bottom vents were open 100%. Within 20 minutes the lid temp had jumped to 340 so I cut the bottom vents off completely and shut the top vent as much as possible with the probe in the way. It went down to 290 within 5 minutes. WIthin 30 minutes of putting the meat on the grate I have been cruising smoothly between 260-300 lid themp.

The bottom vents closed and top vent for temp monitoring is MUCH more efficient and reliable than tweaking both. Also, if temp is dropping quickly I can open the bottom vent 10-25% (I have them marked) for a few minutes to introduce more oxygen into the chamber and then close the vent. This method has been working very well today. Another observation is that the wind really doesn't have an effect of the kettle temp when the bottom vents are closed.

It is 10:30 here and I just passed the 140 degree mark, starting at 37 degrees. I am now 3.5 hours into the cook. Hopefully this will result in a nice smoke ring.

I used two different rubs on the butts. One of the butts I used Mr. Brown and the other HACKED butt I used a sweeter rub. I rubbed over the twine on both.

Around 12:30 or 1 (5 hours into the butts) I plan on adding the 2 slabs of rolled ribs. I will rub them with a Raichlen basic rub about an hour before. I will guage the amount of smoke at the time and then decide if I want to add more with the ribs or not. When adding the ribs I plan on rotating the butts 180 degrees and switching spots on the grate. I do not plan on flipping the butts.

Hopefully the butts will finish between 8-10 hours putting me at 5:30 (10hr) and giving me at least an hour to rest, foiled, in a cooler. My guess is the ribs should take anywhere from 5-6 hours and finish between 6 and 7.

Another change that I made with this smoke is to drop the temp probe through the top vent instead of having the wire come out under the lid. Obviously this is one less air-leak which means more stable temps.

Something that I noticed about an hour into the cook is a bad-smelling, grease looking substance dripping off the rims of my kettle lid. I have since put pieces of cardboard where the liquid is falling. My guess is that it is due to the moisture from the water pan combined with the cold, dry air outside of the kettle forming condensation inside the lid and collecting some of the built up residue on the lid over the last few smokes. I really hope the little drops arent falling on the butts!

I am not sure if I am going to baste/spray the butts when I rotate them. Is it more ideal to mop/baste smaller butts????

I have the southern succor mop recipe and a basic pork baste recipe. I also have apple juice and a spray bottle if need be.

Here are two pictures from 7am this morning. The darker, butt is the HACK butt. The lighter butt is the Mr. Brown.



 
It looks like you're well on your way!

Too bad about the family, though. You know the Chinese proverb that says if you save someone's life, you are responsible for them for the rest of their life? Well, if you save someone from bad/restaurant bbq, you're responsible for feeding them the real thing for the rest of their life.
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But then, just look at it as an excuse to cook more often.
 
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It looks like you're well on your way!

Too bad about the family, though. You know the Chinese proverb that says if you save someone's life, you are responsible for them for the rest of their life? Well, if you save someone from bad/restaurant bbq, you're responsible for feeding them the real thing for the rest of their life.
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Tell me about it Larry. I was assigned major cooking duties at family functions a few years ago. You could see it coming from a mile away. Good thing I actually enjoy cooking! I enjoy cooking much more than I enjoy KFC chicken for Memorial Day.

I became impatient and decided to take off the lid to check out the bad-smelling drops of liquid. Turns out it is a buildup on the side of the lid closest to the meat. There is a small amount of moisture build up on the rest of the lid, but it is not the dark liquid. 4+ hours into the cook the butts look great in my opinion. I also took a few temps on the hacked up butt and it was within a few degrees of the other. Whew.

Temps spiked for about 30 minutes, but are back under control now.

As you can see in the picture there is still a good amount of unused coals/wood so when I put on the ribs in a little while I wont be adding any more coal/wood. I may add some more water to the pan.

 
Hope it goes well. On the probe, my suggestion would be to wait until you are getting close to done before you start using it. Early in the cook, it doesn't really change anything to know the internal temp of your meat. That will make it easier to open the lid during the first half of the cook.

It is a good idea to clean the inside of your lid every so often. It is harder to do in winter when I have my hose put away, so what I do is take a piece of foil and crumple it into a ball and go over the lid while it is cool.
 
THanks for the suggestion David... Typically I take a handbrush and go over the interior. This doesnt get off most of the build-up but it does remove most of the charcoal dust. Once the weather warms up again I will be giving the kettle a nice cleaning.

Im about to put the ribs on, refill the water pan, and rotate the butts.

I havent made the succor mop yet... Does the mop help the moistness/tenderness of the meat or is it more for flavor? WIth such a thick piece of meat I would imagine it is more for flavor due to not much of the mop being able to penetrate.

Its 12:45. I am now 5.5 hours into my cook and just hit 161, here comes the plateau.
 
Hey Nick - Looks like things are moving along nicely. AFA the Mop, I do mop mine it flavors the bark more than anything else. I don't think it does much to keep the whole cut from drying out. I think it helps more to keep the outer bark from going to deep (guess that is in a sense keeping it from drying out).

The liquid or condensation you see I beleive is being caused by the mositure/vapor coming off the water pan condensing and collecting on the inside of the lid.
 
Well, I think I have pushed the kettle to the limit today. Unless I added another grate, I don't really see a way I could add any more meat.
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I got the ribs on around 1:30. I had the lid off for 15 minutes or so. The butts lost some temp through spraying/mopping and went down to 155 for about 30 minutes. Other than that they have been sitting at 162-164 for the past 3 hours... hopefully the plateau breaks soon.

I will be turning the ribs in about an hour. Depending on if the butt temp is rising or not I will spray/mop one more time.

The mop was the succor for the Mr. Brown, the spray was an apple juice/cider vinegar mixture for the sweeter rub. Both are at room temp right now.



EDIT: I notice looking at the picture I placed the ribs on the bottom meat side up. With so much going on during the 15-20 minutes I missed something! Damnit!
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If you keep cooking for family like this, it
won't be long before you need a Ranch Kettle!
Your Q looks good in the pictures.
 
Hey everyone,

Sorry it took so long for the final pictures/post. I guess after a 14 hour day and then completely stuffing my face my energy levels were running very low. Soon after eating I went to sleep.
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The family was very impressed with the layout of meat I had on the table.

5:30 came around and I couldn't get my lid temp above 310. I moved the coals around, removed as much ash as I could. I didn't have the time to start new coals so I finished the butts in the oven. It took them about 45 minutes at 300 to get to temp. I only had 30 minutes to rest. They were VERY hot when pulling.

At that point I rushed the ribs at 320 lid temp. My first ribs 2 weeks ago turned out better for multiple reasons:
- I cooked at 280 lid temp the entire time
- I cut the ribs correctly.

These 2 slabs I cut at 2am Saturday morning and cut them improperly as you will see in the pictures. THey were still good, but next time I wont make the same mistake.

Some things I learned from this cook:
1. I need to get a WSM ASAP. The Kettle can do cooks like this just fine, but the amount of time and effort can be very draining on longer cooks.
2. Set my expected time, and add 3 hours. This has been a common thing for me to set 10-12 hours thinking it will be ok, only to find 2 extra hours would have been perfect.
3. Ash the coals each time I remove the lid after 4 hours of cook time. Also after 6-8 hours have a few lit coals ready to go in each time I lift the lid.
4. Get more sleep the night before so I dont pass out so quickly!

- Even though I didnt prep the st.louis slabs correctly, these spares had ALOT of meat on them.
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- The bark on the butts was still nice even the oven finish.

Thanks everyone and have a good Sunday!






** Planning on making Raichlen's BBQ spaghetti tonight with some of the leftovers..
 
I have used enhanced butts quite a few times. Especially when they go on sale for a really good price. The thing about it is I cannot tell a difference between the 2. I haven't actually cooked them side by side for taste testing though. Sams is the only place I have found I can get non enhanced meat. Walmarts full packer brisket isn't enhanced, but the flats are.

My theory is that it cooks for roughly 15 hours and a lot of that salt cooks back out. I don't know if that is correct or not. I haven't ever had one taste salty yet. I don't cut down on the salt in the rubs either.

Ribs on the other hand are much different. A couple of years ago I was smoking some ribs and my brother calls me up. He asks if he bought some ribs at the store if I would smoke them for him. I told him sams had them cheaper and not enhanced. He didn't want to drive there plus they were on sale at kroger for more than sams normal price. I already had some rub made up from my ribs so I didn't really want to mix up a rub "BRITU" with less salt so I didn't. Wow what a mistake. They were indeed a salt lick. They were tougher than the ones I ate earlier in the day. Not a not done tough it was different. Kind of hard to describe especially since it has been a couple of years ago. You know what they say about old age.
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I will buy an enhance butt or picnic if there is a good deal on them. Mainly under a $1 per pound. I wouldn't buy enhanced ribs if they were 25 cents a pound. Nasty!
 

 

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