Now that's what I'm talking about Kevin, thank you. I guess when I say I want more it's recipes first, how to build a rub, what ingredients, what brings what to the table. Same for sauces and glazes. I guess I am a sponge looking to soak up what I can. I have tried so many recipes here so I am looking to expand. This last post is awesome and yes I have learned so much from just doing it and figuring out what works for me and what doesn't. Another thing I was looking for you touched on in those links, why paprika and dry mustard are useless, a lot of people make those statements but don't say why.I have learned so much here it is crazy. I have a bit of a cooking background but when it came to BBQ I felt like such a rookie, it has been a year since I dove in and now I find myself answering questions here and having something to backup what I am writing. Thanks again for all your help as well as everyone else here on this site.