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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg M View Post
    Does anyone know for sure if the old Weber's used non magnetic 300 series stainless for their flavorizers and grates? The flavorizers always rust even the Cadillac quality rcplanebuyer ones. Rusting really isn't an issue there until they rust through. Not sure about the grates?
    I posted elsewhere, but I did a magnet test on a 2012-2016 Genesis s-330 "all stainless" and found that both the grates and flavorizers were also magnetic. As I said there, in spite of this, in all the otherwise rust-bucket Genesis 300 grills I have picked up, I have never seen one where the stainless grate had rust. Junked up, ugly yes - but no rust. I would think that regardless of it apparently being 400 series SS that the construction of these grates is adequate if given even the most basic care.

    The flavorizers are another story, and I am just glad for Dave aka RCPlanebuyer. Definitely the way to go for upgrading/replacing these.

    So, at least the Genesis II has SOME 304SS. That is an improvement, since the 300 series were magnetic on the externals, too. Still, I believe they should at least give an option of having it all be 304SS.
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    Just tested my E330ep and. Flavorizers magnetic, rod grates slightly magnetic (hard to detect in some places maybe because it's round?), warming grate not magnetic and handles not magnetic.

    Used regularly in bay area California for over 5 years. Covered during rain with good raveena brand covers. no rust

    With SS Rod that thick I don't think the grade matters as much as the sheet metal.

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    The quality decline began somewhere in the genesis silver/golld era. I have an original genesis gold b 2003 open cart design and all the stainless parts were none magnetic including burners and stamped grates. Later the parts they would send under warranty were magnetic and didn’t last as long.

    I will post pictures if I get a chance. I still have original grates and burner tubes so you guys can see the difference. To me the biggest difference was in the burners the only reason I needed a replacement was because the tab where the middle one goes connected to the crossover the weld points fell off. When I got a whole new set as a replacement under warranty I noticed it was magnetic and I stored the original ones with the hope of using them later, and that’s what happened. The ones they sent rusted through really quick maybe 2 years compared to 7 years of the original ones and no rust through just a failed weld. What I ended up doing recently is buying just a crossover tube and reusing the original burners I’m sure the crossover will rust through and the rest will be in good shape.

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    Well, that sounds like some good evidence of the reduction in quality of parts being used in the newer grills.
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    Yep they might save $10 per grill and yet raise the prices by 30% maybe even more since they're offshoring. So typical of how this country is going. No one will have jobs but we'll be buying everything from China

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    As promised here are two quick videos I shot showing original quality of parts. Didn’t have a set of the flavorizer bars or grates that are magnetic but I know they are. I bought them for my father in law and they didn’t last 4 years.

    https://youtu.be/23cmJEhtu0M

    https://youtu.be/B_4vQrR33-w

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    Weber shows pretty well in the Consumer Reports rankings but certainly not where they should with the prices they charge.



    Charbroil seems to dominate in terms of bang for the buck.
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    Yep everybody's been flaming them (no pun intended) and yet they've actually been quietly improving their product and still pricing it quite well. Notice too Nexgrill. And of course Napoleon also showing well. Used to be Weber was the ruler the others were measured on. Not so much any more. Especially when you take in bang for the buck.
    Notice too not a single Weber Spirit model even made the charts.
    I would love to see an old Genesis fully restored to as new run up in these CU tests. I have a feeling they'd blow everything off the charts.

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    Those reviews went thirty or more deep in each category. I don't think I saw a Spirit anywhere on them.

    I wish Consumer Reports would do reviews on "used" grills. I believe they do that for vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMichaels View Post
    Yep everybody's been flaming them (no pun intended) and yet they've actually been quietly improving their product and still pricing it quite well. Notice too Nexgrill. And of course Napoleon also showing well. Used to be Weber was the ruler the others were measured on. Not so much any more. Especially when you take in bang for the buck.
    Notice too not a single Weber Spirit model even made the charts.
    I would love to see an old Genesis fully restored to as new run up in these CU tests. I have a feeling they'd blow everything off the charts.
    Larry,

    I think that CR takes so long to do their reviews that the lead time results in new models of all kinds of things already for sale not being included in their tests. I really suspect that the new Spirit II wasn't available at the time they rounded up grills. Notice, too, that they didn't have the new Nexgrill we were discussing.

    I do think it would be a really interesting comparison for them to include a well-restored Genesis 1000. I would like to see if they think grill manufacturers have made progress or are going backwards as we all tend to think.
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