VERY frustrated!


 

Joe - theqguy

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I kept reading about how great the 22.5” WSM was and how long it could hold temp so I bought one. I didn’t have the same experience as everyone else. Mine fluctuates horribly so I bought a BBQ Guru DigiQ DX2 because everyone said it would hold temp forever……..mine doesn’t. I had ONE cook where the guru held temp but the rest of the time is a crap shoot. Tonight I have my WSM loaded with 8 butts averaging 8lbs each. I set my guru and loaded my WSM with coal the way everyone says it should be done. I set my guru for 250 and after an hour or so FINALLY reached temp. It held for around 45 minutes then dropped to 199………..shot back up to 230 then dropped back down to 170. I have my guru adapter in one vent and have the other two sealed up with high heat tape………….what am I doing wrong? Why do things that work for everyone else not work for me?
 
May be the WSM is out of round or it's not sealed up yet? I can hold mine at any temp i need but it's well used too.
 
Joe- Hang in there! There has to be an answer to this puzzle because I know what a quality smoker the WSM is & it's probably some little thing that will make all the difference for you ...

A few questions to help with detective work: 1) You said your bottom vent is set-up spot-on with the Guru. However, how is your top vent set?, 2) It sounds like you loaded the ring with unlit, but how much lit coals did you add on top of the unlit to start your cook?, 3) How well sealed would you say your WSM is as far as top, middle section & around the fuel door?, 4) Do you have a water pan in? And, if so are you adding hot water, using a clay saucer or something else?, and 5) Are you adding the meat only after the WSM comes up to temp & not before?

Temp control issues aside, keep in mind that 8 cold butts added to the WSM will act as a serious heat sink & cause the temps to dip for quite some time until the meat starts to gain temps.

Don't get too discouraged ... You will get it figured out! ;)
 
Another thing to consider is how you are measuring temps. I have an IQ110 but I still use a Maverick thermometer @ the food grate to keep temps double-checked. Is your dome temp fluctuating with your Guru? If not, the problem could be with your Guru temp probe. Where & how you place your temp probes can give faulty security or faulty readings. Make sure the temp probe at the food grate is not too near the edge to where it picks up the hottest part of the convection flow. Also, make sure it's not too near a hunk of cold meet or it will trick the probe into thinking the temps are less than what they really are ... Hope that helps!
 
Guys, thanks for your help and please understand that I am NOT criticizing the WSM or the GURU. My frustration is that things don't seem to work out for me LOL. I suppose we've all been there. To answer your questions, I have the guru adapter in a bottom hole (if that makes sense) on one of my air inlets and the rest are all sealed up with high heat tape. I don't seem to be getting any leakage from my middle section although I did have to shape it a little when I first got the WSM. I AM getting smoke escaping around the area where my top sits on the middle section but I'm not too concerned about that. I have my dome vent wide open. I loaded my ring about 1/2 full of unlit Kingsford blue bag and poured about 1/3 of a chimney of lit on top. I have water in my pan and have found that, for me, I like having water in the pan as opposed to having it empty.
 
Pat, I am only judging my temp by the reading on the guru. That may be wrong but I DID have my maverick probe and guru probe clamped side by side on my cooking grate awhile back and they were about 75 degrees apart.
 
Joe - good info. A couple of thoughts, FWIW, if you want the WSM to come up to temp quicker add a bit more lit charcoal to start with. Maybe half to three-fourths of a chimney full so that it doesn't take an hour to get to your set temp. However, it's always good to start low & work up to temp that to start too hot & fight to bring the temp back down. Also, the fact that you had your Guru probe & your Maverick probe next to each other & they were off by 75 degrees makes it sound like a temp probe issue more than anything. I had a similar temp control issue before & it was a bad probe wire on my IQ110. Traded out the probe wire & Bingo!, steady temps. Focus your troubleshooting on the temp probe wires first & see if that doesn't do the trick. Try calibrating them both in boiling water and/or ice water & see what sort of readings you get. if the wire itself isn't bad then play around with where you are placing it on the food grate. Good luck!
 
Not using water and just a foiled pan is the recommendation when using a temp. controller.
If by chance your thinking that it adds "moisture" to the meat... it does not.
An hour to come up to temp. with eight butts and a full water bowl? That seems quick to me!
 
One other thought Joe. Did you use warm/hot water? It won't have anything to do with holding temps steady but could influence how long the pit takes to come to up temp. I agree that all those butts would hold the temp down for a while. "The meat will absorb a lot of heat energy, causing the cooker temp to drop significantly."

Some Temperature Spikes Are Normal.

Joe - good info.... Try calibrating them both in boiling water and/or ice water & see what sort of readings you get....

When you ck your thermometer, I recommend reading up on it here. It's true water boils at 212*F at Sea Level, but given a diff baro pressure and elevation it will be different. (Thanks Bob)

Not using water and just a foiled pan is the recommendation when using a temp. controller.
If by chance your thinking that it adds "moisture" to the meat... it does not.
An hour to come up to temp. with eight butts and a full water bowl? That seems quick to me!

Water may not make the meat more moist, but it does add humidity to the smoking environment thru steam which produces a different BBQ then a dry environment. The AmazingRibs.com science advisor Dr. Greg Blonder says "If you want to increase humidity, and you do, fill the pan with those red lava rocks sold at garden stores, and then add the water, but don't cover the rocks. They are very porous so they act like sponges, and the large surface area pumps more moisture into the air. And don't let fat drip into the pan because it will quickly coat the surface and prevent evaporation."

Of course Harry Soo disagrees; "Don't use any water in the pan. Just cover the water pan with foil top and bottom. I foil it twice so I can remove the second layer after the cook and refoil it. That way, I don't have to clean my pan. Dry heat allows the bark to form faster on the meat. Once the bark forms, you can introduce moisture. I just spray water with a regular spray bottle to encourage bark formation after the initial crusting has begun. To test for properly formed bark, use your finger nail and scrape the meat surface. If the crust has formed, it will not come off when you gently scrape it with your fingernail. If the crust comes off, the bark has not set, so don't spray until it sets. Let it cook longer and check back in 15 minutes. When the bark is set, we then wrap the meat in foil for about an hour, take it out and let it dry a bit. We've won many awards with this technique."

I say try both and see which one you and your friends/family enjoys most.
 
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I loaded my ring about 1/2 full of unlit Kingsford blue bag and poured about 1/3 of a chimney of lit on top. I have water in my pan and have found that, for me, I like having water in the pan as opposed to having it empty.

My $.02 here, which is late to the party, so take it for what it's worth.

1) 1/2 ring of charcoal plus 1/3 of a chimney isn't enough to cook 8 butts.
2) 8 butts is going to be a lot of cold mass that's going to take a while to see the temps you want
3) With a cook that size, I don't see water as being helpful.
4) How did the rest of it go? :D
 
I ended up taking the guru out and opening my vents on bottom and had NO problem holding temp all night. I guess it's true, a temperature controller is not necessary with a WSM.
 
Controller definitely not necessary but sounds like you didn't have near enough fuel you said half chimney of unlit and third chimney of lit that's less than I use for 4 or 5 hours with two slabs of ribs , would say you need whole chimney and half chimney of lit coals for that
 

 

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