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Too many items = too complex = less fun


 

Matt A 3

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This weekend my brother came to visit for Easter and wanted to return home with a lot of BBQ. So we planned a big dinner for Saturday, and cooked enough food so as to have lots left over.

The menu was:
- 3 pork shoulders, 8lb each
- 1 packer brisket, 12lb
- 4 racks back ribs

The objective was to serve it all at dinnertime on Saturday. We put the briset and pork on at about 11pm on Friday night after a dinner that went pretty late -- which was problem #1 since it was too late to be setting up the bullet IMO and we had to rush a bit. Rushing is not part of the fun of BBQ.

We managed to fit all 3 shoulders onto the top grate (18" bullet, btw), although we had to stand them up and use a couple of bamboo skewers to ensure they didn't fall over. As is typical for the 18" bullet, the packer didn't fit properly on the bottom grate, although we managed to not have it touching the sides.

The MM start was fine, and we went to bed before the temp came up fully. When I woke up at 7 it was steady at 244 lid temp so that was good. No idea how long it took to get up to temp.

Well, the plan was that the brisket would finish by 2pm so we could get the ribs on for a 7pm dinner. But the brisket was not cooperating so we foiled it at 1:30pm. The butts were also going slower than normal, and I didn't want to over-smoke them when I added fresh wood chunks for the ribs. So we foiled them too. Then we piled the 3 foiled shoulders on top of the foiled brisket on the bottom grate, and added the ribs to the top grate.

Maybe the cooker took longer to get up to temp and that was causing the slow progress. I was asleep, so no idea.

More charcoal was added too, and in removing the middle cooking section a healthy splash of "grease water" spilled out of the water pan and onto the deck.

But of course the brisket was soon ready to be taken off, so we needed to remove everything to access it on the bottom (bearing in mind fresh smoke wood had been added to we were getting pretty "smoked" ourselves).

Then the shoulders needed to get removed, so again the ribs were interrupted to remove the pork beneath.

All the while we are getting ourselves very "smoked", and of course the foil covering the meat on the lower grate is now covered with grease dripping off the ribs above so the whole things is a mess.

Since the ribs were put on a bit later than we wanted, we also interrupted them a few more times to foil them, remove foil, brush sauce, then finally remove.

Then of course all of this needed to be pulled / carved for serving.

Although the meat turned out fine, overall this BBQ was much less fun than what I have done in the past. Usually I do a single type of meat, and I don't need to intervene in the cooking process until the food is almost done. I have in the past done a couple of shoulders plus a packer in one session, but they have pretty similar times. In this case the ribs were the real curveball, [particularly since they had to go on before everything else was done.

I have gotten to the point that I can wear the same clothes to dinner as the ones I cooked in (i.e. I don't smell like a campfire). Not so this time.

In retrospect I should have piled all the foiled meat onthe top grate and had the ribs on the bottom -- that would have made things a bit easier.

Others may relish the complexity or challenge of preparing a big BBQ dinner like this. But personally I have concluded that I will stick to single-item BBQ and will consider purchasing a second WSM for those instances where I want to cook different types of food.
 
I agree with you 100%. I will say it took me more than one "no fun" cooks to realize this. I go camping every year with 20 of my buddys and I love to cook. We used to make everything breakfast, lunch, and dinner for four days at the site. Now I try to make as much as I can at home and just reheat. Im about the only one that loves to cook and I like to be in the kitchen so Im always involved with every meal even if it isnt my turn. We still take the WSM but I try to keep it simple and do some butts. That way I can enjoy myself and not be cooking and preping all weekend. As far as your cook goes did you have an oven available? I find when Im running out of time I will foil and place my meat in an oven to finish.
 
I agree with you 100%. Like you, I tried to cook a packer and a Boston Butt this past weekend. Both came out OK, but neither was as good as they have been in the past when I cooked just one type of meat at a time.

BTW, I tried foiling the packer at 165 degrees and then testing it every half hour until it felt done. I think that I made a mistake by pouring broth into the foiled pouch before I put it back onto the smoker. I found the final product to be too soft/tender. It was falling apart as I tried to slice it. I ended up chopping rather than slicing the flat. I was disappointed.
 
Man, I laughed out loud reading your story because I've been there too. I have this picture in my mind of the part about piling the foiled butts on top of the foiled packer, because that's the type of stuff I got into when I was getting the hang of the thing! I know feeling when you've got a feast planned and so many things going on, and you kind of feel control slipping away.
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Even if the food turns out great, you're so tired and stressed it just doesn't feel like it was worth it. I have a short list of cooks that I like to pair together (like overnight butt followed by turkey breast while the butt sits in a cooler, or high heat brisket with a turkey breast added to the lower rack in the last hour or so), but it can definitely ruin a good time when you have multiple items planned out on a time table and things start falling apart.
 
Matt,

If you ever want to attempt that again, I'd suggest going with an empty water pan. With that amount of meat in the smoker; your meat is your heat sink. You are correct in assuming that it probably took a while to get up to temp and the water was just slowing it down.

Paul
 
Matt, I learned along time ago a little pre planning goes along way. I've done my stuff days and even weeks in advance. Freeze it and reheat. I ended up a lot less stressed trying to make time deadlines. As you found out the WSM and meats get to proper temp when they want to. Hang in there and don't be too discouraged.
 
my anual company bbq is coming up in June and i cook around 25~ packers and 75~ chickens for our employees. i do it on a offset that rides on a trailer. altho this year will be the test to see how many packers i can stuff in a 22" and 18" wsm it will tell me if i need to buy one more 22" or not. (the extra cost of a wsm would be well worth not having to use that damn offset next year).

anyway i start 24 hours ahead of time always allow a lot of extra time to cook when you are doing extra meats. typically pull my briskets at 4-5am and serving is noon that day the briskets hold safe temp in coolers for around 12 hours. our last service is 5pm.

i start the chickens on the offset onsite at 6am and they cook till noon.

anyway my whole point of this is allow plenty of extra time when doing multiple meats and just hold the already cooked meat or reheat it. it isnt any more difficult just a little longer and the WSM takes a lot of the extra pain out of longer.
 
I cater every summer for 10+ gigs, and make sides on site as well. I can assure you, it is very little fun!!! It is better than my regular job though!!! Guys , I have been preaching this here for some time, use your oven once you have foiled the meat. There is NO REASON to use the WSM for foiled meat!!!!! It helps ALOT, believe me!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dave Hutson:
... Guys , I have been preaching this here for some time, use your oven once you have foiled the meat. There is NO REASON to use the WSM for foiled meat!!!!! It helps ALOT, believe me! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>As have others, folks have been saying that as long as I've been here .... here's a link to the earliest example I found
 
I've oven-finished before, including one time when a rainstorm interrupted my cook and filled the bottom section with water so I had no choice.

But keeping the BBQ out of the house (a) ensures the house doesn't smell like a BBQ restaurant and (b) allows the oven to be used for other things that might be served alongside the BBQ.

In retrospect this weekend I should have used the oven to finish since the whole thing ended up getting really complicated.
 
Dave is right about finishing in the oven. You should try this if you are behind on time.

Since I am the BBQ guy around my town, I am constantly being asked to cook for all kinds of FREE events. Just yesterday my wife was asked to try & talk me into cooking for all the home football games. Ihere are 3 games every week during the season. Freshmen, JV, and Varsity. We are talking lots of Q and work for me. Does that sound like fun?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by paul h:
Matt, I learned along time ago a little pre planning goes along way. I've done my stuff days and even weeks in advance. Freeze it and reheat. I ended up a lot less stressed trying to make time deadlines. As you found out the WSM and meats get to proper temp when they want to. Hang in there and don't be too discouraged. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen to that - it's what I do if I am going for "multi-media" cooks. Then maybe be cooking just one item day of the event, etc. Definitely more relaxed at the event. I think food comes out better across the board (for me as well).

Less to manage all at once and up against a time line.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by paul h:
Matt, I learned along time ago a little pre planning goes along way. I've done my stuff days and even weeks in advance. Freeze it and reheat. I ended up a lot less stressed trying to make time deadlines. As you found out the WSM and meats get to proper temp when they want to. Hang in there and don't be too discouraged. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wouldn't you lose some tenderness when you freeze and re-heat? Also does the meat dry out?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dale Perry:
Dave is right about finishing in the oven. You should try this if you are behind on time.

Since I am the BBQ guy around my town, I am constantly being asked to cook for all kinds of FREE events. Just yesterday my wife was asked to try & talk me into cooking for all the home football games. Ihere are 3 games every week during the season. Freshmen, JV, and Varsity. We are talking lots of Q and work for me. Does that sound like fun? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hahaha...The price of Fame eh Dale
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Sometimes it can get outa hand LOL

Cheers

Davo
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dale Perry:
Dave is right about finishing in the oven. You should try this if you are behind on time.

Since I am the BBQ guy around my town, I am constantly being asked to cook for all kinds of FREE events. Just yesterday my wife was asked to try & talk me into cooking for all the home football games. Ihere are 3 games every week during the season. Freshmen, JV, and Varsity. We are talking lots of Q and work for me. Does that sound like fun? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Price of Fame eh Dale
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cheers

Davo
 

 

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