Temp Control


 

Marty D.

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I can never seem to get my temperature up in the range the recipes call for. I have a probe thermometer installed in a cork in the top vent. I live in Arizona and usually BBQ in fairly ideal weather, sometimes on the hotter side! I use the hardwood charcoal (cowboy) style and usually use 2 chimneys plus 6-8 good size chunks of pecan or other hard smoke woods. After I fill my water and add meat I can keep the temp in the 200 deg. range for a 2-3 hours then it drops off and continues to fall until I add more fuel. I read the pointers and will try different charcoal and check my temp. gauge. Any other pointers?

Thank you!
 
I recommend using the recipes from the cooking forum. They give you a great start with a feel for what is the right amount of fuel. Also are you using a weber chimney?
 
Arizona and Lump, I would for sure check the thermometer! If it on ditch the water and just foil the empty pan then try. What happens if you leave all 4 vents wide open? Also just angle the stick therm in one of the top vent holes so all 3 are unrestricted.
 
I would suggest a different charcoal. I have never had good luck with Cowboy lump even for grilling. Try Royal Oak or Wicked Good lump or switch to briquets. I can highly recommend Stubb's which can be found at Lowes, or Royal Oak as well. A lot of people do use Kingsford with good success. I just don't like how much ash it produces.

It doesn't sound like you are using the Minion Method which works great with these smokers. Make sure you fill the ring to the brim - a full 18 - 20lbs if you have the 22.5 WSM. If you're using lump, you need to pack it tight, ie get your hands dirty arranging the pieces to get as much as you can in. Then scatter about a 1/2 chimney of lit coals on top. Also you may want to try cutting the amount of smoke wood in half.

Good Luck!!
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Very cool, thanks a million guys! I will try some of the ideas. So far I've only done 2 different smokes, BRITU and the Renowned Mr. Brown. The results were so amazing I can't believe it. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, loves the BRITU ribs. I just need to adjust my fuel method so the smoke matches the times a little closer.
 
I always leave all 4 vents wide open. The top one has a cork in one hole for my temp. gauge. I'm going to try just sitting it in the open hole. I'm also going to go with another brand of fuel and try the minion method. I am using a Weber chimney, I usually wind up using 3 full chimneys before the smoke is over. Also, I think I have the smaller WSM, not the 22.5. How do you tell the difference?
 
I believe that 18&22 are the diameters of the grate (measured across the middle). A 22 would make sense for the increase in charcoal. If you read the Texas sugarless spares in the cooking forum, it uses 3/4 of a ring with 20-40 lit on top. I'd try that for better fuel use (minion method)with no hassle on refuel. You can always scale back as you learn.

I minion all my cooks.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, I think I have the smaller WSM, not the 22.5. How do you tell the difference? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Measure the diameter of the top cooking grate.
 
Marty I have used Cowboy before as it's really the only lump I can get around here on a regular basis. Yes it's not great but I'm not a fan of K. I'd def check the thermometer, make sure your vents are open enough when you cook and just foil the pan (no water). That will also help add heat.
 
I have the 18 1/2 inch WMS. I leave ALL the vents closed except the top one. I open it 1/4 to 1/2 and last weekend I smoked two racks of ribs and when they were finished I added one load of Stubbs Charcoal Briquettes and I then smoked a pork butt. All in all I was cooking at 245 on the butt and I got a full 24 hours out of the fuel. I used the Minion Method on the first load and added the other through the side door. That baby will get as hot as you want. I do happen to use a DigiQ 2 DX Temperture Controller which makes my job easier, but again, I don't have but one vent barely open and I can get pretty high temps. I'm no professional at this, as I'm fairly new also, but maybe you are letting all the heat out due to everything being open. Also, the thermometer may be off. Don't trust the one on the Weber lid either.

Good luck and let us know how you do. I use the Stubbs Briquettes because they are easy to get at my local Lowe's when I'm running low. I get most my hardwood at Academy Sports.
 
With all do respect I don't think fuel type has anything to do with being able to maintain temps at 200 and above.

I definitely have my issues with Cowboy AFA a lump product (I hate it) but we should still have no trouble maintaining a fire over 200 degrees in a WSM no mater what fuel - lump, briquettes, heck even wood, etc.

Something is missing from the info. There's a problem with air flow/draft going on here IMHO. And unless the fuel is wet I can't see how fuel brand or type is the issue, personal preferences aside.

Need to know more about the fire set up and draft and overall air flow. If the food is turning out OK, then yeah look for a control/measurement defect like the therm.

I'll take some time and read over in detail in the meantime. But something is blocking air flow IMHO. The fire isn't "breathing" or the temp measurement isn't accurate.

Just thinking out loud.
 
Marty - are you using minion method, I.E. loading the ring then tossing on some amount of lit?

Are you foiling any of your food grates? If so - don't.

For your next cook use a dry water pan, just foil it and let's see what happens.

All vents open at the start? Are you keeping the lid vent fully open?

Looking to play with a total air flow to see how this affects your cook temps. Do a sample fire. Take a chimney of lump unlit and place it in the ring. Then take a chimney of lump that is lit and dump it on top. Open up top and bottom vents (let's leave the door closed for now)

Tell us what temps you see over this sample fire.

We really need to get to a baseline. Better to waste some fuel than food. Else put a couple of chicken halves on, pretty hard to over cook them if you don't want to totally waste the fire. But the key is to establish a base line with all airflow open with a chimney of unlit covered with a chimney of lit and see how long it burns and how the temps run.

This will give us a good baseline curve to help tell whats going wrong.

Just my suggestion. Feel free to ignore
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But for now for troubleshooting let's keep the whole thing about fire and fire control and leave the food out of it.
 
I can think of a couple more things. If your fuel is burning up prematurely, you're either not putting enough in or you're burning it too fast.

With water in the bowl, you can burn at excessive rate and just boil the water faster without really getting the smoker hotter. Depending on wind conditions and how tightly sealed your WSM is, you should expect to have your bottom vents no more than half open. Before I added a seal to the bottom joint on mine, I had to close bottom vents on windy days to maintain desired temperature. My top vent always remains open.

Also be aware that the temperature measured near the center of the top will register low early in the smoke when the meat is still coming up to temperature. I use a Maverick remote reading thermometer mounted to the edge of the top grate and it can read as much as 50° hotter than the center of the dome. Later in the smoke the temps will tend to converge.

I usually use water for all smokes save fowl, but leaving the water out as others have suggested will help demonstrate excessive burn rates if that is the issue. This is good to test with fowl where low 'n slow is not as beneficial.

Regarding fuel, lump will tend to burn hotter and faster than briquettes. You might have a go with briquettes or a mix of briquettes and lump until you hone your skills.

Lastly, the meat picks up most - if not all - of the smoke flavor early in the smoke. If you run out of fuel before your meat is finished, you can move it to an oven and complete your work there. It will taste every bit as good as if you finished it on the smoker.

Make no mistake - cooking on charcoal is a skill and you will get better at it as you continue to practice and learn. And the more you practice, the more great meals you will prepare.
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Man, this is an awesome forum! You guys are great, lots of good ideas! Let me fill in some of the details. First, I've had this smoker since 2007. I got hooked on the BRITU recipe and after a few smokes have it down pretty good with slight variations on the overall procedure but the outcome is invariably "WOW"! I usually don't get excited about my own cooking but when women (and men) who have cooked much longer than me and are much better go crazy over it you know you're on to something. So I stick with what works. I recently tried a pork butt (the Renowned Mr. Brown recipe) and much like my BRITU results it was good but again, trouble controlling the temp. I did wind up finishing it in the oven since I wound up with more of a pork roast straight out of the smoker. After realizing it would slice but not pull the missus suggested popping it in the oven and that did the trick. So, on to the details!

As stated before, I live in AZ so it's usually fairly warm, > 80 deg. with low to no breeze when I smoke. I have a small backyard so there are walls within 10-15 feet of my smoker that deter a lot of any breeze that might be blowing. I start by firing a chimney, getting the coals white hot, pouring them in the smoker, adding 3-5 good size (foot long) chunks of pecan. I then start another chimney full and add them when they are white hot on top of the fuel in the smoker. ONce they are all white hot I put together my smoker with the water pan half full of warm water then filling it about an inch from the top of the pan. The temp usually gets up to around 200-210 at this point. Once I add the meat which is usually 3 racks of ribs from Costco, it will drop to around 175-180. From there it maintains for a couple of hours but then starts to drop and head down around the 150 range for the next 2-3 hours. My vents are wide open the whole time. When I try to regulate with the vents the temp. seems to drop faster so I have been leaving them 100% open. If I'm doing 6 racks of ribs I invariably have to add another chimney or more of fuel half way through the smoke.

So my main problem is I cannot seem to maintain the temps indicated on the recipes for the timeframes indicated. I think I need to try to minion method and see if it works better. The few times I tried to regulate temp with the vents my temps dropped and the fuel did not entirely burn so I have some concerns about how to properly use the vent system.
 
How long is it taking these ribs to cook? Also with 2 full chimneys of lit once you assemble the cooker they are probably going to be starved for oxygen even with the vents wide open. I'm with Ray that you have an air flow problem.

Next cook try cracking the door open and see what happens to your temps?

If you foil your pan with no water make sure you leave an air space between the foil and the bottom of the pan.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bob Sample:
... with 2 full chimneys of lit once you assemble the cooker they are probably going to be starved for oxygen even with the vents wide open. I'm with Ray that you have an air flow problem.

Next cook try cracking the door open and see what happens to your temps?

If you foil your pan with no water make sure you leave an air space between the foil and the bottom of the pan. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Assuming it's a WSM we're discussing, other than one of the top vent holes being plugged with a cork, there's no airflow issues (assuming none of the other vent holes are plugged up with grease and crud).

...but I believe the OP revealed his main problem in his last post. He's starting off with 100% LIT COWBOY LUMP, which will burn out in NO TIME. Supposedly, the reason that @##@ burns out so quick is that it's from flooring scraps, and that's the LAST fuel I'd use without using Jim Minion's method of lit poured over unlit.

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/fireup2.html#minion
 
Dave if it's burning off so fast, as you suggest, would you not expect to see much higher temperatures than 200 at the beginning? The water pan will only suck up so much latent heat with a fast burn.

I'm also wondering if his original 2 chimneys of fuel have burned completely to ash when he adds the other chimney.

Marty any chance you can take pics of your set up? It might be something simple you are leaving out that one of us might notice.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marty D.:
adding 3-5 good size (foot long) chunks of pecan. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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That's some LONG "chunks"! Assuming those are split, I'd at least cut 'em in half to use for smoke on the wsm. Some guys like longer pieces like that and "wagon wheel" 'em by laying on as spokes after pouring lit charcoal in a middle depression or bottomless coffee can that you next remove. Try that Minion Method that I gave you the link for, and just try some regular old briquettes like Kingsford. You'll be SHOCKED how long you can go without adding any fuel!
 

 

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