I always though routers were pretty stable beast. I've learned quite the opposite. I am using a Belkin router now. I have it configured to assign address between 100 & 200. If I assign a static address of 35 to the Stoker, it will not work under any circumstance. However, if I set up Stoker to 135, which is in the range of assignable address, then turn the router off, then back on, it will see the stoker, and allow port forwarding. Since I will never have 35 computer on the network, there will never be a conflict and everybody is happy. Now if I could only get my wacky Netgear router working right.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bob Hunter:
On another note, I spent a couple of hours on the phone with Linksys Level 3 Tech support and they were unaware of any issues pertaining to using a static IP with the port forwarding. While I was on the phone with them, they replicated the issue on their side and logged a bug against their firmware for development to look into. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What firmware are you running on the Linksys? I have port forwarding set up on my WRT54Gl with firmware 4.30.5 set up to a static IP for ports 80, 23 and 161 and it works fine. The device is not a Stoker, it is my home office videoconferencing unit. No Stoker yet.
On another note, I spent a couple of hours on the phone with Linksys Level 3 Tech support and they were unaware of any issues pertaining to using a static IP with the port forwarding. While I was on the phone with them, they replicated the issue on their side and logged a bug against their firmware for development to look into. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What firmware are you running on the Linksys? I have port forwarding set up on my WRT54Gl with firmware 4.30.5 set up to a static IP for ports 80, 23 and 161 and it works fine. The device is not a Stoker, it is my home office videoconferencing unit. No Stoker yet.
Bob Hunter
TVWBB Pro
I am running a Linksys RV082 with the latest firmware 1.3.6. It is a low end business router, full VLAN and VPN support.
I just talked to a buddy from a different forum and he had the same problem accessing his Stoker from outside of his network. It worked fine when the Stoker was set for DHCP and didn't work when the Stoker was set to a static IP address. He found out that when setting the Stoker for a static IP, there is no way to set the default gateway and the Stoker was not using the right default gateway IP address. This wouldn't affect local access but would cause a problem with access from outside. When set for DHCP the stoker gets the right default gateway setting from the DHCP server.
I don't have a stoker (yet) so I can't verify this. Can one of you guys with a Stoker check this out?
I don't have a stoker (yet) so I can't verify this. Can one of you guys with a Stoker check this out?
There is not a setting for the gateway on the Stoker, but then again, the Stoker does not try to initialize communications except to find a DHCP server if needed. The routers seem to be unaware of their presence when using a Static IP. A computer on the other hand is continually trying to establish communications. A firmware revision could possibly fix this issue. Also, there is an option on the Stoker to "Auto Update" the time setting. This feature will not work if the IP address is static. That might indicate the gateway address problem.
Jeff Hartford
New member
Hi
Has anyone gotten this working with a 2-wire router? (2701HG-B )
I am so close....
I have the Stoker set for DHCP and the port forwarded from 9898 to 80.
When i go to http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9898 on a local computer it pulls up the page just fine.
However, from an internet computer it does not work.
It Does change the title of the web page to "Stoker Status", so i know i am getting in to the stoker.
Any Ideas?
Thanks,
Jeff
Has anyone gotten this working with a 2-wire router? (2701HG-B )
I am so close....
I have the Stoker set for DHCP and the port forwarded from 9898 to 80.
When i go to http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9898 on a local computer it pulls up the page just fine.
However, from an internet computer it does not work.
It Does change the title of the web page to "Stoker Status", so i know i am getting in to the stoker.
Any Ideas?
Thanks,
Jeff
On the inside, you would type in your local IP address of the Stoker, IE. 192.168.1.103, the :9898 is not needed from the inside. In fact that shouldn't work. From outside your network, say at work, you will have to type in your real IP address plus the :9898. That address is configured in your modem. It might be static or it might be assigned. Either way, you can find out what that address is by simply clicking on this link from inside your network. http://www.krownsoft.com/whois.aspx . That will show you what your real internet address is, IE. "The IP Address where you are located is 121.123.12.145" . Write it down. Now when you go to the outside world, type in the address line http://121.122.12.145:9898 , your router will see it, translate port 9898 to port 80, and forward that to the internal IP that you forwarded.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jeff Hartford:
Hi
Has anyone gotten this working with a 2-wire router? (2701HG-B )
I am so close....
I have the Stoker set for DHCP and the port forwarded from 9898 to 80.
When i go to http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9898 on a local computer it pulls up the page just fine.
However, from an Internet computer it does not work.
It Does change the title of the web page to "Stoker Status", so i know i am getting in to the stoker.
Any Ideas?
Thanks,
Jeff </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
First of all I guess I forgot to mention. The IP is forwarded and the port is translated. Meaning, if your IP address on the Stoker is 192.168.1.103, then you need to forward that IP address, you generally only need to fill in the the last number, 103. Also, you only need to translate port 80 if you have another web device using port 80, say an Internet server, or if your ISP blocks all port 80 request (some do). When you type in http://www.yahoo.com , www.yahoo.com:80 is always assumed because port 80 is http traffic. That is what the stoker uses. So from inside your network, you need only to type in 192.168.1.103 to converse with your stoker. On the outside, your local ip address has no meaning, so you have to use the routers IP address. Your router see the http request, and forwards it to the internal address that is on the forward list for port 80. If 80 is already used or restricted, then you also need to set up port translation, so an external request seen by your router on that port is redirected to your internal address and is translated as a port 80 request. Simple eh? Well that's the way it's supposed to work anyway. So the external (public) port would be 9898 and the internal (private) port for the stoker is 80.
Hi
Has anyone gotten this working with a 2-wire router? (2701HG-B )
I am so close....
I have the Stoker set for DHCP and the port forwarded from 9898 to 80.
When i go to http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9898 on a local computer it pulls up the page just fine.
However, from an Internet computer it does not work.
It Does change the title of the web page to "Stoker Status", so i know i am getting in to the stoker.
Any Ideas?
Thanks,
Jeff </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
First of all I guess I forgot to mention. The IP is forwarded and the port is translated. Meaning, if your IP address on the Stoker is 192.168.1.103, then you need to forward that IP address, you generally only need to fill in the the last number, 103. Also, you only need to translate port 80 if you have another web device using port 80, say an Internet server, or if your ISP blocks all port 80 request (some do). When you type in http://www.yahoo.com , www.yahoo.com:80 is always assumed because port 80 is http traffic. That is what the stoker uses. So from inside your network, you need only to type in 192.168.1.103 to converse with your stoker. On the outside, your local ip address has no meaning, so you have to use the routers IP address. Your router see the http request, and forwards it to the internal address that is on the forward list for port 80. If 80 is already used or restricted, then you also need to set up port translation, so an external request seen by your router on that port is redirected to your internal address and is translated as a port 80 request. Simple eh? Well that's the way it's supposed to work anyway. So the external (public) port would be 9898 and the internal (private) port for the stoker is 80.
Jeff Hartford
New member
Everything works fine on internal. I can connect to and control the stoker using a local address without any problems.
It is the external that i am trying to get to work.
My router is set so that my external ip forwards to the internal stoker ip and it translated the port from 56545 to 80.
I can even pull up the stoker page using http://69.210.134.4:56545/ or http://69.210.134.4 from a computer on my local lan. http://69.210.134.4 being what my external ip is at this time. So i assume that i am actually going out of my local network to the internet, returning on my assigned external ip, and forwarding/translating to the stoker.
However it is when i try to get to it using the same address but from an totally external pc that i have the issue. I connect to the stoker, as evidenced by the page title changing to read "stoker status", but the actual data never shows up. the page eventually times out.
I am forwarding port 80ext to 80int and forwarding port 56545ext to 80int just in case my isp is blocking 80. i am forwarding both tcp and udp.
Current ip is http://69.210.134.4/
My cook is over but I will leave it connected in case someone (Ken) has time and want's to try it and tell me what they see
It is the external that i am trying to get to work.
My router is set so that my external ip forwards to the internal stoker ip and it translated the port from 56545 to 80.
I can even pull up the stoker page using http://69.210.134.4:56545/ or http://69.210.134.4 from a computer on my local lan. http://69.210.134.4 being what my external ip is at this time. So i assume that i am actually going out of my local network to the internet, returning on my assigned external ip, and forwarding/translating to the stoker.
However it is when i try to get to it using the same address but from an totally external pc that i have the issue. I connect to the stoker, as evidenced by the page title changing to read "stoker status", but the actual data never shows up. the page eventually times out.
I am forwarding port 80ext to 80int and forwarding port 56545ext to 80int just in case my isp is blocking 80. i am forwarding both tcp and udp.
Current ip is http://69.210.134.4/
My cook is over but I will leave it connected in case someone (Ken) has time and want's to try it and tell me what they see
Russ Hazzon
TVWBB Pro
Ken is right on the money! The easiest way to visualize your network is simple. From the outside world of the big, bad internet, your network is seen as one device (your router). Your router is the ONLY device on your network is that is assigned a PUBLIC internet address. Every device behind your router is also assigned a PRIVATE address. The router receives a request from a device with a private address, translates the address to the PUBLIC address then sends it out. It remembers the request and waits for a reply. The reply is returned over the internet to your routers PUBLIC address. At that point the router remembers who requested the packet and returns it to the private address of the proper device.
This whole mess is done through a process called Network Address Translation or NAT. It actually works quite well.
This whole mess is done through a process called Network Address Translation or NAT. It actually works quite well.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jeff Hartford:
Everything works fine on internal. I can connect to and control the stoker using a local address without any problems.
It is the external that i am trying to get to work.
My router is set so that my external ip forwards to the internal stoker ip and it translated the port from 56545 to 80.
I can even pull up the stoker page using http://69.210.134.4:56545/ or http://69.210.134.4 from a computer on my local lan. http://69.210.134.4 being what my external ip is at this time. So i assume that i am actually going out of my local network to the internet, returning on my assigned external ip, and forwarding/translating to the stoker.
However it is when i try to get to it using the same address but from an totally external pc that i have the issue. I connect to the stoker, as evidenced by the page title changing to read "stoker status", but the actual data never shows up. the page eventually times out.
I am forwarding port 80ext to 80int and forwarding port 56545ext to 80int just in case my isp is blocking 80. i am forwarding both tcp and udp.
Current ip is http://69.210.134.4/
My cook is over but I will leave it connected in case someone (Ken) has time and want's to try it and tell me what they see </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm in and reading your stoker now.
51 NoneFoodFire None
370000116EE81B30 49.8 NoneFoodFire None
6D0000116F08E730 52.9 NoneFoodFire None
300000116F046E30 48.8 NoneFoodFire None
4C0000116F295930 49.3 NoneFoodFire None
Temp Sensor Description Temp Target Alarm Low Set High Set Blower
looks good to me.
Everything works fine on internal. I can connect to and control the stoker using a local address without any problems.
It is the external that i am trying to get to work.
My router is set so that my external ip forwards to the internal stoker ip and it translated the port from 56545 to 80.
I can even pull up the stoker page using http://69.210.134.4:56545/ or http://69.210.134.4 from a computer on my local lan. http://69.210.134.4 being what my external ip is at this time. So i assume that i am actually going out of my local network to the internet, returning on my assigned external ip, and forwarding/translating to the stoker.
However it is when i try to get to it using the same address but from an totally external pc that i have the issue. I connect to the stoker, as evidenced by the page title changing to read "stoker status", but the actual data never shows up. the page eventually times out.
I am forwarding port 80ext to 80int and forwarding port 56545ext to 80int just in case my isp is blocking 80. i am forwarding both tcp and udp.
Current ip is http://69.210.134.4/
My cook is over but I will leave it connected in case someone (Ken) has time and want's to try it and tell me what they see </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm in and reading your stoker now.
51 NoneFoodFire None
370000116EE81B30 49.8 NoneFoodFire None
6D0000116F08E730 52.9 NoneFoodFire None
300000116F046E30 48.8 NoneFoodFire None
4C0000116F295930 49.3 NoneFoodFire None
Temp Sensor Description Temp Target Alarm Low Set High Set Blower
looks good to me.
Jeff Hartford
New member
How odd....
Still will not load the page with my laptop connecting to the internet via a Verizon broadband aircard.
Clearly the problem is with my laptop since you were able to pull it up with no problem.
Thank you for the troubleshooting and advice. I would have just kept heading down the wrong road otherwise.
Thanks
Jeff
Still will not load the page with my laptop connecting to the internet via a Verizon broadband aircard.
Clearly the problem is with my laptop since you were able to pull it up with no problem.
Thank you for the troubleshooting and advice. I would have just kept heading down the wrong road otherwise.
Thanks
Jeff
Russ Hazzon
TVWBB Pro
Jeff,
Any chance you're running a firewall on your laptop? If so try turning it off and see if you can get to the stoker webpage.
Any chance you're running a firewall on your laptop? If so try turning it off and see if you can get to the stoker webpage.