Jason in CA
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I'm not sure if this has been covered yet. But I saw an article on it a few days ago and then I came across this. I figured I would share it. It might be of interest to some of us.
I'm not sure I understand where you're going with that. Since it's all made in China anyways why not be able to go to your local whatever store and buy a glow plug instead of having to wait for Weber to send you one. The right to repair has become kind of a big deal in automotive and tractor recently. I don't know if you follow or are aware but look into the John Deere debacle.Jason, that is interesting and I have a perhaps different take on it. I have an old Genesis grill that I know for a fact had all US made parts. Fast forward to today where many of the parts for that grill have been discontinued. The only things I can still get for my grill are now made in China. That means Weber at some point made the decision to outsource certain parts which of course meant setting up tooling in China to make these parts. Is it a coincidence that you can now buy aftermarket burner tubes with 5 or 10 different brand names on them? I highly doubt it. The reality of it is that these aftermarket parts are made in the same factory as the Weber branded ones. There is no way Weber, or any other company for that matter, can control the backdooring of these products and for them to act like these parts are inferior to their own would at the very least be disingenuous.
I listen to him quite a bit also. His specially is automotive mostly. But it's very interesting to hear a lawyer's take on various subjects. And I usually like the take that he gives. He does deviate from his typical stuff from time to time. This time it just happened to be relevant to Weber.I listen to Steve Lehto a lot on the tube. This segment is not quite his usual wild and wacky news like "Government fines couple for parking in their own driveway" kind of thing.
??? What can't be good?"Okay that can't be good."
I'm not sure I understand where you're going with that. Since it's all made in China anyways why not be able to go to your local whatever store and buy a glow plug instead of having to wait for Weber to send you one. The right to repair has become kind of a big deal in automotive and tractor recently. I don't know if you follow or are aware but look into the John Deere debacle.
Anyhow, the bottom line is that Weber was violating the right to repair act and has been told to correct it. I personally don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.
Okay. I think I understand now. So I think we're on a same page. The aftermarket is good. On the right to repair act this is also Good. Just think of how many of the old Weber Genesis barbecues would not be repairable if it wasn't for aftermarket now. Weber stops supporting a lot of their parks long ago. My other point that I never bothered to make was that it would be good to go into any local whatever and buy a part probably made as you say in the same factory for last money. And not have to rely on Weber alone to ship it to you. As I said, I think we are in agreement.I agree with you, and I am aware of the John Deere controversy. My only point was (in the case of Weber at least) that there was a time when the only replacement parts you could buy were the Weber ones. It wasn't until they started having parts made overseas that you started to see an influx of aftermarket parts.
Yeah, well said. I'm not as eloquent as many other posters. I post my thoughts randomly and hope my point gets across. But I think you said what I was also sayingI think y'all are sayin' the same thing.
Weber needs to own the reality. A lot of companies have done this at one point or another with the warranty, but until parts start to be manufactured in the US again (if ever), we are stuck with China or (better) Korea or Bangladesh or India even, or maybe the Philippines or some other place where people want to work hard to improve their lives (ain't sayin that works where they are..I don't know. I'm just sayin there aren't so many of those folks in the US anymore, cuz here we are). Some of those formerly third-world countries may end up being the good manufacturers, depending on how our politicians choose to handle things, or not.
I'm just guessing (though I'm usually pretty good at this sort of guessing)...my 2012 Weber Genesis E310 would now cost $2800.00--maybe $3100.00 if it were made with all US parts. PLUS shipping. Ain't many people gonna pay that, since for a bit more they can get one of the high-end fancy pants grills built into an outdoor kitchen.
I don't know how many parts of my 2012 Weber were made in the US, but this grill is STILL a tank compared to the Wallyworld grills I'd owned before. NOW, all parts I see (even from Weber) originate in China. Not sure that's a good get. So I should be able to choose my part.
Seems like the FTC agrees....I should be able to choose my part without them voiding my warranty.
Yep, we are in total agreement on this.Okay. I think I understand now. So I think we're on a same page. The aftermarket is good. On the right to repair act this is also Good. Just think of how many of the old Weber Genesis barbecues would not be repairable if it wasn't for aftermarket now. Weber stops supporting a lot of their parks long ago. My other point that I never bothered to make was that it would be good to go into any local whatever and buy a part probably made as you say in the same factory for last money. And not have to rely on Weber alone to ship it to you. As I said, I think we are in agreement.
When the guy in the video saw his grill on fire he said, "Okay that can't be good."??? What can't be good?
I think eloquence is overrated.Yeah, well said. I'm not as eloquent as many other posters. I post my thoughts randomly and hope my point gets across. But I think you said what I was also saying
I don’t think anyone here’s up for a professorship, so you’re in good company. There’s a ton of mutual respect on this forum.Yeah, well said. I'm not as eloquent as many other posters. I post my thoughts randomly and hope my point gets across. But I think you said what I was also saying
I have never seen a forum with less bulllsh*t and more actual knowledge of the subject from so many members. It's freaking amazing.I don’t think anyone here’s up for a professorship, so you’re in good company. There’s a ton of mutual respect on this forum.
When you finish your grill and it looks brand new again, take a nice picture of it and change your picture to that. That's what I did, if I can figure it out then anybody canI think eloquence is overrated.
I don't know how to put cute grills in my sigline. That's eloquence.