Ribs and Rub


 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have yet to run into enhanced ribs around here that come 'packaged at the store in styrofoam trays'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well I have to eat my words in a manner of speaking ... was at Superstore today and the store packaged pork in styrofoam trays was labelled 'Moist and Tender' Ingrediants: pork, water, sodium phosphate, salt
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Guess I know where I'm not buying ribs any more.

You might try a little less smoke, and stronger like hickory but it doesn't sound like you oversmoked them. Good luck on your next attempt.
 
If I may be so bold as I am somewhat of a newb myself.

I've found that less is definately more. Less rub makes for a less overpower. I used the BRITU rub and found that I was overdoing it by quite a bit. I backed off to about half what I was putting on and the ribs came out much
better.

I also was overdoing the smoke wood. The first time I did ribs I put 2 apple and 2 hickory in the WSM and it was far too much. I backed off to 2 apple and 1 maple and was much happier with the output.

The other thing I've found is that the WSM will need less and less smoke wood as it gains more and more what I call patina. Open the lid of your smoker while it is completely cold. Does it smell like something good is cooking in there? That will impart flavor all on it's own. Less of a need to help it out.

Just what I've found so far.

Russ
 
Well I guess it's gonna take a bunch of trial and error to get it right, which is ok with me. Definately going to go with less rub and make sure they aren't "enhanced".

The thing with the smoke I'm not sure though. They didn't really appear to have much of a smoke ring. Others I've had in BBQ joints look completely pink throughout. I guess another thing to experiment with.

It wouldn't be as fun if you mastered everything the first cook would it?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bryan S:
When making a rub for ribs, less is more IMO. You don't want to cover up or lose the pork flavor. HTH
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by K Kruger:
I have a different view. The biggest complaint I have about ribs from commercial places is the utter lack of flavor. I can't do rubless ribs. It seems like such a missed opportunity; two bites and I've had enough. Not that ribs need to be heavily or even moderately rubbed, but, to me, the flavors of meat and smoke just flatten so quickly and easily that I can't abide it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Let me clarify my less is more statement. Meaning not less ingredients, just less amounts used in a rib rub, than say making a rub for a butt or brisket. Same goes with the smokewood, the amount used for ribs is way less, verses a thicker cut of meat like butt and brisket. It's so easy to overpower ribs, one must be careful with the critical (strong) spices, and the amount used as well as the amount of smoke wood used for ribs.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Meaning not less ingredients, just less amounts used in a rib rub, than say making a rub for a butt or brisket. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes. I know that's what you mean (from our history here on the board) -- and I come from the same place as well.

Sometimes I make rubs with just four or five ingredients (not counting salt or sugar), other times I use well over a dozen. Application quantity (or lack thereof) is important and so is ratio of a more potent flavor that will stand up to cooking (cinnamon is a good example) to one that is less potent and/or likely to mellow during the cook (many chile flavors are good examples of this, so are garlic and onion, among others).

One of the reasons I stress using quality ingredients is because with them one can 'afford' to use less both in terms of the ratios within the rub and in terms of quantity of rub applied. Another reason is that often when using an inferior ingredient --either inferior with regard to its quality or with regard to its appropriateness in the rub in the first place-- the (shall we say) negative atributes of the ingredient are amplified. Not a good thing.

This is my problem with the use of paprika in rubs (an issue I know you have too). What flavor that might be in the best quality paprika does not hold up to long cooking (and in typical run-of-the-mill paprika there is little flavor to begin with) so its negative qualities (becoming bitter over time, possible grittiness) are more pronounced, especially since it is a prime ingredient in so many recipes.

Too, if something like an paprika is used in a substantial ratio to other ingredients and it either has little flavor to begin with from the get-go, or what flavor it has will fade, or will become bitter then, respectively, it adds nothing much to the rub other than color and bulk (fine, but less can be used to accomplish this and/or other chilies with better flavor and flavor that can stand up to long cooking might be better choices); the other more flavorful ingredients that might be in the rub will take on more prominent roles (not always a good thing); other ingredients need to be used to compensate for the bitterness. In many recipes this tends to be sugar --and too much of it, imo, as significant sugar flattens a flavor profile substantially and nuances within (the high notes of the smoke and some of the spices) are pretty much shot to hell.

The use of quality ingredients --with an eye to how they will perform in a rub (or will not), apt ratios, quantity of rub applied-- can lead one down a more useful path, imo, and in fact makes this easier.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This is my problem with the use of paprika in rubs (an issue I know you have too). What flavor that might be in the best quality paprika does not hold up to long cooking (and in typical run-of-the-mill paprika there is little flavor to begin with) so its negative qualities (becoming bitter over time, possible grittiness) are more pronounced, especially since it is a prime ingredient in so many recipes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kevin, you got to stop thinking like a chef and more like a "pitmaster."
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I don't know if its the wsm, but once you start to produce great bbq out of it you start to question a lot of the dogma out there on the web and in books.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The thing with the smoke I'm not sure though. They didn't really appear to have much of a smoke ring. Others I've had in BBQ joints look completely pink throughout. I guess another thing to experiment with. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

if smoke ring is your goal, try using briquettes, and put you meat in the wsm cold, with the wsm barely warmed. The pinkness of the meat is created by chemicals, produced during combustion, interacting with the surface of the meat. I've found that briquettes as opposed to lump tend to give me a deeper ring (this is anecdotal since I yet to control for my ramp up period). Additionally, this surface reaction stops at 140*, so keeping things cool with a prolonged ramp up in temp will extend the period in which your surface meat is below 140*. to conclude, smoke ring and smoke flavor are independent variables that can be control separately.

smoke ring...add it to the questionable dogma list.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Kevin, you got to stop thinking like a chef and more like a "pitmaster." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thankfully, I can't!
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I make all my own rubs too. I keep notes on each rub mix with the weights of each ingredient and what I thought of the taste / appearance / texture.

I find making rubs is super easy and fun.
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Don't know if this has been suggested but it works for me. Use same amount of salt....just sub kosher salt for regular salt.
Making you own rub is easy and the only way to go IMHO.
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