Thanks a lot for the info!271102 == summit 650 natural gas
serial number date code DD == 2002
@LMichaels and @Jon Tofte likely have opinions on the grill and/or price.
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Summit 650 (1st Generation) Natural Gas
Here's the quick and dirty summary:
If it's in good/useable condition, yes it's a "collector's item" and "super cool" and "hard to find" and "a great cooker".
It comes with those Part# 9930 Cooking Grates which are "the best" 9mm Stainless Steel Solid Rod grates you can get your hands on.
Here's the pitfalls of this model:
The Cookbox is made of porcelain coated steel. It rusts easily if not properly maintained.
The Cookbox endcaps are cast aluminum, however, the bottom pockets of them collect grease and form holes from sitting for ~20 years. I've picked up two different 650's with this exact issue.
The front panel of the cookbox (i.e. - the holes where the burner tubes slide through) can rust and become corroded holes, which become a fire hazard.
The back panel of the cookbox can rust and become corroded holes.
Yes, the pictures make that grill look like it's in great shape. You won't know until you go look at it with a flashlight (down into the corners of the cookbox end caps, inside the front panel [burner tube slots]).
$300 is subjectively a good price if it's in fully working condition:
- Doesn't need Flavorizer Bars
- Doesn't need Burner Tube Crossover Bars
- Doesn't need Burner Tubes
- Doesn't have holes in the cookbox (anywhere)
If you absolutely HAVE TO HAVE this grill, and it's in good shape, and you want to preserve it forever, @Jon Tofte can sell you Stainless Panels to protect the front and back of the cookbox.
Just know that it is a HUGE UNDERTAKING if you need to rebuild it, disassemble it, clean it, etc.
In my opinion, unless you have some kind of very sentimental or "cool factor" attachment to wanting to own this specific model, I would not bother at all. It's overkill in almost every situation unless you're regularly hosting huge gatherings, etc.
And no, you cannot convert NG to LP without finding another exact model which you would swap the entire manifold.
Here's some examples of the pitfalls I was referring to:
Front and Rear Cookbox Panel:
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Cookbox Endcap Holes:
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using google to search this site turns up some interesting posts.Wow! That's a lot of good info. Seller says no rust. I have NG in back yard. I don't need it, but I thought it was cool. I will stop by and check it out today and report back.
Help would be appreciated. It is natural gas, in good condition except for igniters not working and has a nice Weber cover. Would $300 be a good price to buy it?
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Summit 650 (1st Generation) Natural Gas
Here's the quick and dirty summary:
If it's in good/useable condition, yes it's a "collector's item" and "super cool" and "hard to find" and "a great cooker".
It comes with those Part# 9930 Cooking Grates which are "the best" 9mm Stainless Steel Solid Rod grates you can get your hands on.
Here's the pitfalls of this model:
The Cookbox is made of porcelain coated steel. It rusts easily if not properly maintained.
The Cookbox endcaps are cast aluminum, however, the bottom pockets of them collect grease and form holes from sitting for ~20 years. I've picked up two different 650's with this exact issue.
The front panel of the cookbox (i.e. - the holes where the burner tubes slide through) can rust and become corroded holes, which become a fire hazard.
The back panel of the cookbox can rust and become corroded holes.
Yes, the pictures make that grill look like it's in great shape. You won't know until you go look at it with a flashlight (down into the corners of the cookbox end caps, inside the front panel [burner tube slots]).
$300 is subjectively a good price if it's in fully working condition:
- Doesn't need Flavorizer Bars
- Doesn't need Burner Tube Crossover Bars
- Doesn't need Burner Tubes
- Doesn't have holes in the cookbox (anywhere)
If you absolutely HAVE TO HAVE this grill, and it's in good shape, and you want to preserve it forever, @Jon Tofte can sell you Stainless Panels to protect the front and back of the cookbox.
Just know that it is a HUGE UNDERTAKING if you need to rebuild it, disassemble it, clean it, etc.
In my opinion, unless you have some kind of very sentimental or "cool factor" attachment to wanting to own this specific model, I would not bother at all. It's overkill in almost every situation unless you're regularly hosting huge gatherings, etc.
And no, you cannot convert NG to LP without finding another exact model which you would swap the entire manifold.
Here's some examples of the pitfalls I was referring to:
Front and Rear Cookbox Panel:
View attachment 118029
Cookbox Endcap Holes:
View attachment 118030
Yea that thing looks barely used.Well, the grill is solid, there is almost no rust except a tiny bit where the ignitors go from the front to the back (inside, you can't see it from the outside). Seller has an original Weber rosstiserie (looks new in box) and a large smoker box (stainless steel). I looked inside the fire box and there are no holes or rust, same underneath where the grease drip is located. It was at the owner's lake house so he didn't use it much. He will listen to offers. I am very tempted, only what my wife may sayis stopping me. Well, that and the Jenn Air I already have (last pic).
Yeah, likely he will take $250? I asked him if he posted it today and he said no, it's been a week, which surprised me.Yea that thing looks barely used.
Offer him $200 and see what happens.
I thought about it Jon. What’s the price for them? Also what do you recommend for those sides next to the lid (see attached picture)? Just some sanding and then high temperature black paint?Not to be pushing sales of my stainless panels, but I would recommend seriously considering them if you get this grill. I have ones for the front with the holes and plain pieces for the back, which, as the above picture shows and @John-NY stated, is not exempt from rust and burn through.
You may be right! I may have missed it. Is that fixable?I could be wrong, but this looks like a hole in the cook box.View attachment 118049
You can fix it with the stainless steel panels Jon Tofte has, that's how he fixed his own Summit.You may be right! I may have missed it. Is that fixable?
Don't believe him. Only truest your eyes. Unless the seller has never used it I can nearly guarantee it's rusted and if not fully through then very close. Because no matter how well you maintain it, it will definitely rust.Wow! That's a lot of good info. Seller says no rust. I have NG in back yard. I don't need it, but I thought it was cool. I will stop by and check it out today and report back.
It is. And once it looks like this within weeks it will look completely "blown out". Been there, seen itI could be wrong, but this looks like a hole in the cook box.View attachment 118049
Thanks for the advice. I am still thinking about it since I have the Jenn Air that is stainless steel, pretty big and in great condition and has been good for me. Besides I started getting more into smoking and slow cooking on my 26” and the 22” Weber Kettles.It is. And once it looks like this within weeks it will look completely "blown out". Been there, seen it
The old JennAire grills made by Nexgrill back in the day were good units. In some ways superior to the Weber SummitThanks for the advice. I am still thinking about it since I have the Jenn Air that is stainless steel, pretty big and in great condition and has been good for me. Besides I started getting more into smoking and slow cooking on my 26” and the 22” Weber Kettles.