Newbie needs advice...Charcoal or Electric Smoker


 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Steve Whiting:
I want to be able to smoke whenever I feel like it without having to be chained to the smoker all day </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with everyone to get a few smokes under your belt in the original configuration. After that, the real "set it and forget it" trick is to use the BBQ Guru (which I have) or the Stoker. Since I work out of town all week, every week, my time at home on weekends is usually jam packed. The Guru gives me the freedom to Q and to do everything else that I try to cram into the time at home. Without the Guru, my anal engineer nature would keep me close to the smoker for the duration.

I am currently 14 hours into smoking 32 lbs of butts without touching the smoker and I got a full night's sleep. I probably will add a few briquets and go take the bride and Mom out to lunch, secure that the temperature will not rise and the Q will be ready when I get back.

Enjoy your new smoker!
 
Okay, time to chime in on the "Pro-Water" side, not that it's "better" or "right or wrong", but I think that absolutes are being thrown around that are based on perspective, and there are alternative views of the "facts".

1. Simplicity. I like a "simple" process when smoking. That does not include various foilings, unfoilings, refoilings, pan-boltings, clay pot purchase/maintenance/storage, etc.

The water pan is a VERY simple tool and it works. I fill it with water, it gets dirty, I clean it out like any dirty pan. It is also a VERY good temperature moderator - Weber DID know what they were doing, and HOW to use their smoker, and although I understand it's fun to tinker around with things (hot rodding is an unavoidable instinct, I think!), but you are not going to "improve" upon Weber's basic design, only modify it to meet/need different requirements than the original execution.

When I go to smoke, I only need four things, the WSM, some charcoal/smokewood, some tinder, and some water. (and the meat of course!) No blowers, no flamethrowers, no foil, no claypots, no extra racks, etc. I did tinker around with remote thermometers a bit at first, but now I tend to "set it and forget it". The WSM HOLDS ITS TEMPERATURE - It really does! See cause of temp swings (minor at they are)

I like to smoke meat and be done with it. And if we ever have to move, or deal with an unsavory social disaster or something, and need to cook without utilities, my smoker only needs charcoal and water. Nice and simple.

2. Clean Up. "Clean Up". Yes, if you want to keep it spotless, you will not like cleaning greasy water and burned drippings out of it. But my WSM is a tool, not a showpiece. I clean the food grime off the grilles, the worst gunk off the water pan, and I hose off the main body once in a while. Yup, my WSM is starting to look a little like a mine locomotive in an Peruvian Copper mine, but so what? It works fine, and a little grunge actually helps seal the various joints - a win for me on fuel economy, but see "who cares" below.

3. Refills. The standard water pan probably does need a refill during the really long 12+ hour cooks. I don't know, I got a Brinkmann Charcoal pan to substitute for the Weber water pan, and I NEVER refill it. In fact, on some long cooks, it looks like it's nearly full when I'm done. Probably an illusion as it fills up some with grease and such, but I never come close to needing a refill at all.

4. Fuel Economy. Fuel economy. Yes, other methods may save some fuel, but who cares? We're talking about a few dollars of charcoal here, for cooking events that happen maybe 2-4 times a month? If you're more hardcore than that, then maybe fuel cost is an issue, but charcoal and hardwood is such a small factor in life's costs that it can be totally ignored. If you want to smoke food, you have to buy meat and fuel, and seasonings/sauce ingredients. There are plenty of "hobbies" that cost a lot more, and they don't provide you your daily meal as a benefit! Unless you're running a catering business, the cost of fuel is a non-factor. If charcoal is such a hardship, then use your kitchen oven, and roast your meat, don't smoke it.

5. Temperature swings/spikes. The WSM was DESIGNED to provide a very contained/consistent temperature environment. If you let the fuel burn down to even coals, (or set up a "Minion" style burn) temperature variations are VERY SLOW to occur. If you're getting a huge ramp up in temperature, than you're starting the cook too early, and need to let the fuel settle down, it really is that simple.

Once the fuel settles in, it's nearly impossible to get a dramatic temperature "runaway". Any gradual rises are easily handled by the air vents. I have actually found occasionally that keeping the temperature UP is usually a problem more often than an upward spike.

Also, meats are not THAT sensitive to 50 degree or more temperature swings. It's just meat, not some kind of pastry or delicate sauce. If the temperature moves, adjust your time, check the meat, cover it up, whatever. Ultimately it will be done according to texture, and that can occur at a nearly infinite range of time and temperature settings.

The water pan does a GREAT job of helping regulate the temperature though, during both a fuel "burn in" and during regular operations.

All in all, I find the WSM to be a very high quality, consistent-temperature smoker when used as designed, and I don't find any of the arguments against using the water pan with water in very compelling yet. Every one of them seems to be secondary or counter-productive to achieving a simple, delicious smoked meat product. But to each his own - people have different requirements for different reasons, and that's fine.

Other than increasing the size of the water pan (which I'm not so sure is necesssary for most cooks), I think the water pan design is great and is yet to be replaced by anything "better", just different - and that's cool too.
 
I have to agree with P Bart. I use water and it couldn't be much easier. Last night I put a couple 6 1/2 lb. butts on around 1:00 a.m. Got the temperature steady at 240F around 2:00 a.m. Went to bed, got up at 7:00 a.m. and temp was 220F. Five hours unattended and the temp only dropped 20 degrees! I still use the stock waterpan and it was better than half full. Does'nt get much easier than that!
 
P Bart- Great post on 10/6. I wish it was on newbie site as it gives a terrific insight to another way to approach cooking on the WSM. I firmly believe a grasp of the established basics found on this site is essential. Once the basics are mastered, go for whatever trips your trigger.

By the way, welcome aboard!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Paul G.:
I have a small Cookshack. It never gets used. I honestly don't think it compares with the WSM on product turned out. I wouldn't mind "cheating", if it worked, but ime, it did not.

Paul </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How much ya want for that cookshack that you never use?
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Steve, I have a WSM and a Smokin Tex electric, which is almost identical to the Cookshack Smokette. I had the WSM first but thought I would be able to make 'Q on workdays or whatever with the electric.

But the truth is, no matter what the cookshack people say, the electric does not produce the good bbq flavor that you get from a WSM. The food is OK, but not nearly as good as the charcoal.

But it is more convenient and the electricity costs far less than charcoal, and you use miniscule amounts of wood in one of these. So they have their place. But the food isn't as good.

I have also been to restaurants that use the commercial Cookshack smokers, and I feel the same; there's something lacking in the flavor of the food.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Steve Whiting:
I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree asking for advice on an electric smoker. And for good reason I'm sure. I believe I will purchase the WSM. You guys seem to be having great success with it and I don't want to miss out on all that fun. Thanks for the advice guys. One more question if you don't mind. How would you compare the WSM over the traditional smoker with the side box? From what I have read, I think the traditional smoker requires alot more work to maintain a constant heat. True? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Steve, the GOOD offset smokers cost a lot. The CHEAP offset smokers are not very good and need some modifications to get decent fire control. The WSM is the best bet for a backyard smoker.

The one reasonably priced offset smoker I know of is the Bar-B-Chef at Barbeques Galore. At around $200, it's approximately the same price as a WSM. This unit was designed to incorporate the mods that other offsets need, and it's made of thicker steel. This is a good offset. Other good offsets will likely cost you around $800, give or take a couple hundred.

You can probably get about 10 hours off a load of charcoal in the Bar-B-Chef but you can get quite a bit more cooking time with a WSM.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rich langer:
Well Doug, are you saying that one should learn to use the WSM as it comes prior to adding goodies such as a clay saucer, thermometer etc?

That certainly sounds reasonable - but what about the instruction manual? You say that answers can be easily found here but if one is going to use the WSM as it comes out of the box, shouldn't one start with the manufacturer's instructions?

Just seems to me that if you are going to use it as Weber meant it to be, you should use it as Weber tells you to.

Alternatively, a new owner might read the information that my friends (including you) have accumulated shared here. This includes the addition of a thermometer, a clay saucer and the Minion Method - none of which are in the instruction manual.

I have seen many posts by newbies saying something like "my stuff was great because of all the knowledge I got here." I am reminded of Sir Issac Newton's thoughts of Standing on the Shoulder's of Giants - Why not use what others have learned and wish to share????? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rich, the way I see it, there is a big section on mods on this site, and people have tried everything imaginable. For the pan, people use the stock pan (I use mine and I have no trouble adding water every few hours.) People use sand (I tried it, it worked fine, but for some reason I switched back to water.) Some people use a Brinkman pan. Some people have made double pans (Piedmont pan?), and now we have clay pans.

All of these methods work, but a newbie can't try everything right off the bat. The only thing I recommend to newbies is to use a thermometer, and that can be a digital thermometer so you don't need to cut into a new WSM.

As for following the mfg directions, I think TVWB has better directions than Weber, especially and foremost the Minion Method.
 
Steve,

Welcome to the forum. As a newbie myself, I think I am in the same position with you. I enjoy cooking and have a desire for new knowledge in bbq. The "chained to the smoker" concept has been a thought of mine as well.

I think this concept has a little truth to it when using coals, but I believe it is a key component of the culture of bbq. Its part of the fun, the experience.

From everything I have read, a little experience will yield the ability to let a WSM run for hours on end, and this thread truly brings that point home.

To throw some other ideas into the mix, do what you can within the constraints you have. For me, I live in a charcoal prohibited condo complex.

I am slow and lowing stuff on my Genesis Silver B for now. Pork butt is always excellent, though I believe my smoke isn't all it could be yet, but I can easily get 15 hours at 225 running one bruner around 50%.

Tomorrow I am throwing on my first Apple Brined Turkey, which is the rave around here. The recipe is here on the site.

My next step is a WSM. Then I can get into the purist bbq when I am smokin away from home. It might get an afterburner (LP gas) for condo use, but until my lifestyle slows down a bit and I get into a dwelling where I have no one restricting how I can cook, I am stuck with these limitations.

I look at it this way. I can research and learn, and do the best I can within my constraints, and eat well along the way.

The people here are a great resource and pleasant to talk to. And seeing another Californian here is a pleasant surprise. There isn't enough bbq on the West Coast.
 
The WSM works right out of the box. I've been cooking on mine for 17 months. I've added Minion starts and a top vent thermometer. Still start with a full pan of hot water and add water as needed through the door with a long spout watering can. It's all simple and works great. Go for it. I also found that Paul Kirk's "Championship Barbecue" really does have 575 recipes for doing it. All I've tried were tasty. Good luck...
 
One more note: Foil that water pan and just trash all the greasy leftovers. The pan will need only a quick rinse.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I also found that Paul Kirk's "Championship Barbecue" really does have 575 recipes for doing it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bought this book the same day I bought my WSM. And I have to agree. Probably one of the the best books out there. Loved the Maple Baby Back Rib recipe. The only time I don't put water in the pan is when doing a high heat cook like chicken. And yes I learned that from this site. Nobody here will steer you wrong. Good luck.
 
I have owned several different smokers the last few years and the one that I hated the most was my first. An ECB electric. Anyhow after finding this site I bought a WSM and used it just the way it was intended. Stock water pan and a weber cheapo therm in the top vent. Never had a problem. Holds temps great. I also bought a cheap chargriller last year and that is one fine grill/smoker for the money as long as you dont mind adding a chimney every 2 hours. I really like it. Its fun to play with.

Folks we could argue all day about whether you need a bigger water pan or clay saucer but in reality you can cook fine with it straight out of the box too.
 

 

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