First Cook......Inlaws


 

KevinJ

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I have been on the site for a while and posting here and there but I havn't actually done my first cook yet due to lack of time and some intimidation. Well, my wife invited the inlaws over for dinner on sunday and suggested I use the WSM. I am thinking of Roadside Chicken on the 22.5 and spare ribs on the WSM. I will be getting home around 1pm and planning to eat around 6. Is that enough time for the ribs and whats the best method. From everything i read it will be cutting it close. Can i up the temp some for a slightly quicker cook? I will probably be trimming them (or tyring to) St. Louis stye if this makes a difference. Also I'll probably make a rub from a recipe on this site but any suggestions for a decent brand name BBQ sauce? Thank you in advance for any input.
 
Not to discourage you, but I would not have people over the first time I used a new grill or smoker. I think there is a learning curve for every cooker so I would practice a few times be for I added the pressure of entertaining. If it doesn't turn out so good, talking them into tring your Q again might be hard....but maybe that's what you want since it's your in-laws.
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I have the opposite opinion: I think the cirumstances you face are motivating. Plan to temp the chicken so you pull when safely cooked, cook the ribs till tender. Come up with a game plan now (Roadside is a good idea and, yes, you can cook spares at higher temps) and then don't worry about it too much. Just do it.

I'd suggest a cook temp of ~285-295 lid, cook till deeply colored, then foil with some juice and cook till tender. Remove from the foil and cook a few more minutes to firm the bark. Rest 5, serve. (They'll hold longer if needed.)

I'd go with a flavorful rub that is low in sugar and forgoes paprika. I can't stand ribs that are sauced before serving but that's your choice.

They're In-laws, not clients. Don't be intimidated. Go for it.
 
Kevin J,

I completely agree w/ Kevin K on this one.

First, you sound like you're adept at cooking on the kettle. Chicken shouldn't be a problem.

The WSM is the easiest kettle to cook on that you can imagine. Spares will be a challenge to finish in 4 hours, but its doable. High temps (Kevin's alway got very sound advice!!), the foil after about 2 hours (you can run the temp up hotter when in the foil as well). If you're cooking more than a slab or two, you can place the ribs in a foil pan and cover with foil.

The other bit of advice I have is to keep it simple. Don't have panic attack over too high temp or too low temps. Don't worry about too much smoke or too little. Don't worry about what kind of juice to add to the foil, most use apple, but grape, pineapple, wine, beer...all work. Trust your gut, give it your best and put a notch in your BBQ belt when you're done. Then assess what went well and what didn't go so well.

Have fun and remember, its only BBQ!!!
 
I invited the in-laws over for my first smoke which was spare ribs. All went well and I had the satisfaction that my first time ribs were better than anything the Father in-law had ever done. That's according to the mother in-law anyhow,and they have only gotten better since. Good luck
 
I agree, go for it. The chicken is a breeze to do, marinate it for a good 6-8 hrs if you can. As far as the WSM goes, you'll do fine. Just remember to start closing the vents down say at 250 if you're shooting for the 280 range.
 
Yeah, go for it. I did ribs my first cook on the WSM and they came out great.

Only real problem I had with the WSM was getting the temp down. I used the standard starting method and then put the whole thing together empty and put the smoke wood on and then waited until the smoke wood burnt down a bit and I got the thin blue smoke. Big mistake, the WSM was at 400 degrees and bringing the temp down was hard to do.

I now get the charcoal all lit and put the smoke wood on and let it burn down until it stops putting out a lot of smoke then assemble the WSM, put the water in, and put the meat on and bring the WSM UP to temp (rather than trying to bring it down) and like Bryan said, start closing the vents early since there is quite a bit of lag.

I think it is unlikely that the ribs won't come out good (unless you just totally overcook them) but, if you are worried, just cook extra chicken.

As for a sauce, I would recommend J. Lee Roys Dippin' Sauce if you can find it for the ribs. It comes in a squeeze bottle. I prefer the "Hot".

Good luck!
 
Thank you all for the responses. Today while tearing apart my laundry room/ 1/2 bath I was able to slip out and pick up 2 slabs of spares for 1.99 lb. I am heading out in a while to get the rest of the stuff but i have one more question. I have been looking and can only come up with hickory or misquete. I know they are both strong so go lighter with them but which one should i go with? THanks
 
Best of luck with the cook. The roadside is a great one for the kettle. Listen to those who have posted above. Cook the ribs at a higher temp due to time and if you have a thermometer put it into the biggest rib and look for 160 to be sure its done. Serving others Id rather they be a little overdone than underdone. Unless youre trying to off the inlaws.

Definately hickory.
 
Kevin K, I see you are on tonight. I was going to use the rub from the BRUTU method but it is high in sugar. Any suggestions for one with out the high sugar content.

Also, The roadside chicken forum is so long and i cant seem to find the amount of kingsford to use to use.
 
Yes, and it hasn't much in the way of flavor, imo. Do you have any whole dried chilies on hand? If so, which?
If not, any pure chili powder? If not, any commercial chili powder?

As for the chicken, I'd probably go with a hot indirect cook, at least to start, if I thought I needed my attention elsewhere. I'd probably do two piles of lit (about a half chimney each) on either side of the kettle and put the chickern in the middle. That way I could start the cook, baste periodically, etc., but not worry about having to keep too close an eye on the chciken and can attend to the ribs or other pre-dinner issues. I'd then move the pieces to finish direct.

Were I not concerned about my attention, I'd just grill direct from the beginning starting with an even layer of lit coals on the grate and flipping/basting/recovering quickly so as to minimize flare-ups.
 
I dont have the amazing array of chilies that you are known to have but i do have a regular chili powder. Also have cumin, cayanne, and the normal type ingredents. But i am heading to the store once you let me know what to get. ALso, good idea on the center cooking for the chicken. It will just make it easier. Thanks, i appreciate it.
 
Well, if you'd rather not head to the store and have sufficient basics on hand we can just go with that for now. But I'll give you an alternative should you have the time and desire to toast and grind chilies (you'd need a grinder as well, like a coffee grinder).

First, I do not include salt in rubs. What I do is salt the meat first--in this case the ribs, both sides--then allow the meat to sit and the salt to draw some moisture to the surface, about 7-10 minutes. Then I apply the rub over the salt. The moisture the salt draws will help the rub stick. Salting separately allows you to apply as little or as much rub as you wish without affecting the salt level as it's already there.

If the ribs are not yet trimmed and you plan to trim them, do so tomorrow and get it out of the way. Pul on a platter or sheetpan, covered, then retun to the fridge till Sunday. (Remember to remove the membrane.)

For salt, what I do is imagine the meat already cooked and placed in front of me but unsalted. How much would I apply were this the case? That's what I sprinkle on, then flip and do so again (a bit lighter on the bone side). These sit while I make the rub or get the coals going for the Minion or whatever, about 7-10 min, then I apply the rub.

How about:

6 T chili powder

6 T light brown sugar or turbinado

1/4 c granulated garlic

1/4 c granulated onion

3 T thyme

2 t rubbed sage

1 t ginger powder

1 t ground black pepper

1 t ground coriander

1 t ground allspice

.5 t marjoram

.5 t cayenne (or less or more, depending on desired heat)

.5 t ground white pepper

.5 t ground cumin

.25 t ground clove


What do you think?

(Alternatively, get anchos, guajillos, cascabels at the store then toast and grind a few of each. Measure out 2 T of each ground chile, blend and taste for heat. Up the heat, if desired, by including the cayenne noted above, in whatever quantity is suitable.)
 
Kevin, I can not tell you how i appreciate this. I am not going to be toasting chilies tonight but i am going to be heading out right now and get the rest of the ingrededients. If i do see some of the chilies dried i'll grab them and gring em up. Thanks again. Off to the store
 
Originally posted by K Kruger:
What do you think?
Looks splendid to me but......... I'd drop the cloves and add some cinnamon to it, just because I love cinnamon on ribs, not a clove guy, but that's just me. Nice looking rub there Kevin.
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I like it too and thought of it. One could easily add a .5 t of cinnamon with or without the clove. I like clove in very small quantities, especially with beef, but I like it with ribs because in that tiny amount relative to the rest of the ingrdients, it goes unnoticed yet boosts the bottom flavors developed during caramelization.
 
Originally posted by K Kruger:
I like it too and thought of it. One could easily add a .5 t of cinnamon with or without the clove. I like clove in very small quantities, especially with beef, but I like it with ribs because in that tiny amount relative to the rest of the ingrdients, it goes unnoticed yet boosts the bottom flavors developed during caramelization.
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I'll try it then with the cloves and the 1/2 tsp is what my guess was going to be on the amount, Thanks for confirming that.
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Did I mention I love cinnamon.
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Cinnamon and Vanilla are up there on favorite smells, so intoxicating.
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Yup. I'd go with 1/2 t cinn. The clove, at only 1/4 t, is tiny in relation to the total rub which comes in at slightly over one-and-a-half cups. I'd keep the cinn at 1/2 t (it'll play to the higher caramelization notes) but you could go higher if you wanted it more prominent. I'd likely keep it low but add some to the sauce (I usually do). A drop or two of vanilla in a sauce would work well too. Not enough to be identifiable per se--I wouldn't want that--but vanilla really plays well with the flaovrs from caramelization as well, it works well with cinnamon, ginger, allspice (the spices in ketchup), and very well with most fruits, something I nearly always include in Q sauces. Though not enough to be identifiable, a drop or two of extract in a sauce can add terrific depth and is easy to do.
 
Kevin K, I use either Chinese, or Vietnam cinnamon, so I always err on the low side to start. That stuff will knock your socks off if your not carefull.
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Sorry for the but in Kevin J, didn't mean to highjack your thread.
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