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First Brisket have some comments.


 

Jeff Magnuson

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First off I want to personally thank everyone on this website for all there help. Smoked my first meal last night on the WSM and it was a 10# brisket. Put on at 9:30 pm last night and pulled this morning at 9 am foiled and let rest about 2 hrs. Brisket to my surprise turned out great. I had a lot to deal with early this morning with lots of wind and cold. Still held 250 most of the cook got down to about 225 a couple times. I used 6 fist sized pecan chunks. My question is, the one problem I did have is there was a smaller smoke ring than I expected. Should have I used more pecan? And one more thing is 11.5 hrs for a 10# brisket to quick?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jeff Magnuson:
Should have I used more pecan?

IMO, no. 6 fist sized pieces are a lot, but if you like the meat that smokey that's ok too. I use no more than 4 fairly small to medium sized pieces of whatever wood I toss in. The smoke ring really has nothing to do with the volume of smoke. It has more to do with temperature than anything else. I understand you can get a "smoke ring" without using any wood at all. Then why do they call it a smoke ring? You've got me. Probably because people think it comes from their wood smoke

And one more thing is 11.5 hrs for a 10# brisket to quick? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, brisket, as a general rule, can take 1 to 1 1/2 hours per pound depending on the cooker's temperature
 
smoke rings depend on a few factors. one is smoke and also ter rub. the other is the meat itself. i don't waste much thought on the ring. what you used for smoke is a lot to me. i would have used 1 maybe two pieces. how did it taste??
 
I look at smoke rings like my golf game, drive for show (the smoke ring) putt for dough (taste). I've had briskets with kick *** smoke rings that were too dry or lacked the flavor I was looking for and then I've had briskets like the last Coffee Cardamom brisket I did that the flavor was out of this world but the smoke ring was practically non-existent. Sure I'd love both but I'd rather my brisket tasted great then have an impressive smoke ring. Others may disagree. The Tiger Woods of this game can get both, I'm not that good so I prefer to fail on the smoke ring side vs. taste.

Regarding how long, if she was tender, moist etc. and she only took 11.5 hours great! I've got a 10 lber on now and I'm hoping she only takes that long.

Six fist size chunks of pecan sounds pretty good to me, it's about what I'm using on my brisket now.

Nice job! No back to my brisket, she's currently sitting at 166.8.
 
Thanks for the input. So I might not have had a great smoke ring, but it tasted great and very moist. And I must say all the hype I was hearing on this website about the WSM is true. I cant even imagine what a little practice will get me.
 
Hi Jeff-

I haven't done a lot of study/practice on it, but based on conversations I've seen around the board I understand that the pink smoke ring is caused by a chemical reaction between the meat and the smoke, and the reaction stops taking place once the meat rises above a certain temperature. Some people will take their brisket straight from the fridge to the smoker, so it starts off at a lower temp and will spend more time smoking while under the cutoff temp.

I haven't really messed around with it much (I'm with George and Larry, I shoot for tender and delicious, smoke ring is just a bonus if it happens), but if you're into the ring you might try putting the brisket on cold if you didn't this time.

EDIT:

I did a search for posts with Smoke Ring in the subject... maybe you can get some good tips here.
 
Here’s a summary of my knowledge pertaining to smoke rings. There’s a good chance that I’ll get some of the facts wrong because I’m just going on memory and most of this info is based on internet research which could have been bad.

Pink meat (i.e. ham, smoke ring) is a result of a chemical interaction between nitrogen compounds and myoglobin found in muscle tissue.

Nitrogen compounds (gaseous) are generated by burning organic matter.

Specific bacteria on the surface of you meat have the ability to convert the nitrogen compounds (nitrate?) in the gas released by burning organics into nitrogen compounds (nitrite?) that will react with the myoglobin, possibly through some metabolic process. Since the bacteria are living, to get a smoke ring, you need to be feeding the bugs nitrogen, and the bugs need to be in the “unsafe” zone (40*-140*). You’ll see it often stated that smoke ring formation stops at 140*, this would be a result of baking your bacteria. Surface meat temps are key, because that’s were the bugs are doing the nitrogen conversion, so don’t be fooled by a <140 * internal, thinking your smoke ring is still forming.

As far as I know the reaction only occurs at the surface, nothing penetrates (i.e. “smoke”) the meat to create the deep ring. The depth of the ring is often mentioned as being produced by “chain reactions” that start at the surface and proceed into the meat. This part is a little unclear to me, but I try to think of it as the nitrogen compounds are converted at the surface and they are what diffuse into the meat, not smoke. Therefore, depth of the ring depends on how much nitrogen gets on your meat, how much is converted by the bacteria, and how much diffuses down before the meat starts pushing back. This last part is my conclusion, so consider that before taking it as fact.

I deliberately was nonspecific about terms like smoke and never mention wood. It appears that, while being capable of producing flavorful (aromatic) compounds, burning wood is not good at producing nitrogen compounds. Ask anyone who runs an electric smoker and they’ll tell you that wood chips alone do not produce a smoke ring. You’ll find it common for people to recommend burning a bit of charcoal on the hot plate along with wood, if they want a ring.

I’ve found that I even get more of a ring when I use briquettes as opposed to lump. I supposed this could be due to what is added to the briquettes to make them, or possible due to the lower temp that briquettes burn at. And I’d be willing to bet you could get an even better ring if you used coal (acid rain, or nitric acid, comes from coal plants). The key here, is to realize that wood smoke will lay a thin layer of flavorful aromatics on your meat, but the bulk of your fuel will be the nitrogen source.

I can’t say that I’ve done much in the way of applying this knowledge to create a better ring. I do put my meat on cold, I usually put it on the wsm after it has preheated somewhat (hopefully enough to avoid creosote condensation), and I usually go for a long, controlled ramp up in temp. Like Larry, I value flavor first, but I do keep an eye out for other controllable variables.
 
My opinion is ,that you want to have a chunk of wood smoking the minute you put the meat on. In other words, put one in your chimney when you start your coals, maybe two.This will get smoke on the cold meat, thus enhancing the chemical reaction, while the surface temp of the meat is most receptive. Six chunks is not too much. Did it taste OK? Then it was just right!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My opinion is ,that you want to have a chunk of wood smoking the minute you put the meat on. In other words, put one in your chimney when you start your coals, maybe two.This will get smoke on the cold meat, thus enhancing the chemical reaction, while the surface temp of the meat is most receptive. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dave, is you wsm to temp when you add you meat? because here's my problem:

I get thick, white smoke when I add wood to a MM fire that's just starting.

I fear creosote condensation if my meat is cold, my smoker is cold, and my wood is not burning cleanly.

I recall ending up with bitter meat once, and I would rather not repeat that.

I like to get my meat on pretty much after I get the fire going. And since the meat never really absorbs the smoke, I figure I could wait a few minutes before I add wood to the fire.

thoughts?
 
I get the cooker up to temp. I use sand and need that to heat up, but a fist sized chunk will still be smoking by twenty minutes in. Wood
 
smoke ring is just looks it has nothing to do with taste.

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Taken from: http://bbq.about.com/od/barbecuehelp/g/gsmokering.htm

Definition: In the world of barbecue the smoke ring is one of the most sought after properties of smoked meats. It is believed to show that you have done a good job and properly low and slow smoked the meat in question. Is particularly prized in smoked brisket. So what is it?
A smoke ring is a pink discoloration of meat just under the surface crust (called bark). It can be just a thin line of pink or a rather thick layer. The smoke rings is caused by nitric acid building up in the surface of meat, absorbed from the surface. This nitric acid is formed when nitrogen dioxide from wood combustion in smoke mixes with water in the meat. Basically it is a chemical reaction between the smoke and the meat.

So how to do you get the best smoke ring? Opinions vary. Generally water soaked wood produces more nitrogen dioxide loaded smoke. If you really want to make sure you get a smoke ring then cheat. Coating meat with a salt tenderizer like Morton's Tender Quick, will load up the surface of the meat with nitrogen dioxide and give you a great smoke ring. Because of the prevalence of this kind of cheating, smoke rings are no longer taken into consideration in barbecue competitions.
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using that type of salt would give more taste, good or bad, than the ring itself. a lot of barbecue joints that have no wood smoker or electric cookers or gas cookers use the salt method to get a "ring" and fool poeple into thinking it wasnt slathered in liquid smoke and cooked in a gas oven...
 
Larry, thanks for the link. Will definitely try this on my next brisket cook. Been so long since I smoked anything I'm starting to develop withdrawals!!!!
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