Clay Saucers and Water Pans


 

Jody Condor

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I just purchased a WSM 18" and I have questions regarding foiling the pan and using a clay saucer. I bought the wide HD foil but, the water pan is so big it would take 2 strips inside and out, is that ok? I also bought a 14" saucer but I’m not sure exactly what I'm doing, is it supposed to take up the entire width of the pan? Should there be a gap around the sides of the saucer inside of the water pan? I just finished the beginner chicken and it was pretty good, a little dry but good. First smoke temps held steady at 340 for almost 4 hours so i guess that’s good. More questions to come. Thanks for any responses....
 
Jody,first of all,welcome to the asylum,er,I mean forum! There is a lot of great info here and a ton of even better people!
As far as the water dish/saucer question,just put the saucer down in the water dish,then foil over the top of the water dish. The HD foil is wide enough to cover that. The saucer acts as a heat sink,keeping the tempurature from getting too high and actually roasting the food,instead of just a low and slow.
Keep it up and you'll be cooking with the big dogs in no time!
 
I foil my pan on the inside and out. I start with the inside and then have the foil on the outside long enough to fold inside and cover the gaps at the side.
I generally use water in my pan and shoot for temps around 225 to 250. I smoke chicken to about 160 degrees and usually avoid it getting dry.

Welcome to the forum and keep on smokin,
Mike
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jody condor:
I just finished the beginner chicken and it was pretty good, a little dry but good. First smoke temps held steady at 340 for almost 4 hours so i guess that’s good. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you do it more like 250 it will be super moist, even without brining, but the skin will be inedible. You should try it at least once that way though, see if you like it.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug Wade:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jody condor:
I just finished the beginner chicken and it was pretty good, a little dry but good. First smoke temps held steady at 340 for almost 4 hours so i guess that’s good. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you do it more like 250 it will be super moist, even without brining, but the skin will be inedible. You should try it at least once that way though, see if you like it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will do,thanks for all replies guys. I've been lurking on and off for about 2 years and finally realized this was a new hobby that I wanted to persue and not just a fad I had. Looking forward to learning tons more from you guys and I'm not question shy..
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Get a 12.25" saucer and it will fit halfway in the water bowl. Also get the 18" HD foil and it will cover the top easily. I don't foil the outside of the bowl at all, it is made of the same stuff as the rest of the cooker.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug Wade:



If you do it more like 250 it will be super moist, even without brining, but the skin will be inedible. You should try it at least once that way though, see if you like it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jody, Welcome to the group. Best way to learn is to ask questions and cook . Actually contrary to Doug's post, you can smoke at 250 and get bite thru bird skin. It is done in comps every weekend. Takes some work and may not be worth it too you but can be done.

Many happy returns.
Happy New Year Smokin' & Grillin'

Mark
 
Jody there is nothing wrong with doing chicken at 340 but depending on the part your cooking your looking more in the 1 to 1 1/2 hr range for thighs and 1/2 to 1hr for breasts
 
Do consider the Piedmont Pan. Chris has a description in the Mods section.
After using water, sand and an empty pan...I settled on the Piedmont Pan. I have been pleased for years.

Go to Operating Tips and Mods
 
I definitely want to try the saucer approach. After two smokes, I really hate cleaning out the water pan with all the fat.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Joey Spain:
I definitely want to try the saucer approach. After two smokes, I really hate cleaning out the water pan with all the fat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Joey, there's nothing magic about a clay saucer. If you think about it, you could just cook a lot more meat for more of a heat sink than a clay saucer.

This is what I'd suggest, though, at least before you go dry on an overnighter: Make five good sized balls of aluminum foil and lay in the pan. Next, foil the pan w/ a couple of layers. Try this on a low-n-slow day cook and see how it goes. If your cooker maintains temps good, then by all means go get a saucer or a bag of sand and try that, too. (However,the thing I like about Steve Petrone's Piedmont pan is that he's not going through tin foil like a UFO conspiratist.
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Rinsing out a water pan is the least of water's downside, to tell ya the truth. You also gotta be sure to scrape/wipe out the inside of the dome after EVERY cook or you can end up with nasty smoke flakes falling on your meat. However, the best thing about NOT using water is that you'll get better bark, which is particularly important to your ribs. Harry Soo is SO right on this, and you'll notice a BIG difference, at least if cooking ribs in the 250-275 range.

I still use water for overnight butt and brisket cooks though, as I haven't found a better heat sink than one that stays at about 212*. Find some good low ash briquettes like Stubbs or Royal Oak to use on those overnighters and mix your wood chunks in with the unlit around the outside of the ring to have even less problems. I like my sleep, and I like a happy wife.
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