Butt questions.


 

JeffB

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I've asked this before, but for the love of God I cannot find my post or the responses.

1. What do I look for when buying "pork butt" or "pork shoulder" at the market? Does it say "port butt" or "pork shoulder," or are there other names that mean the same thing?

2. How is pork butt/shoulder traditionally served? Is this slice and serve like brisket or are we talking pulled pork?

Sorry for the silly questions. I'm still learning.
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Jeff,

1. Pork butt, Boston Butt, Pork shoulder. A shoulder should also include the picnic, but sometimes a butt is named a shoulder. When in doubt, ask the butcher and he should be able to help if it is not clear.

2. Pulled. But people also do chopped and sliced. If slicing, you would want to take it off earlier than if pulling. I prefer pulled pork as you can go through the entire butt easier and take out what you don't want served (any leftover fat/gristle).
 
No sutch thing as silly questions!

1: Some info.

2:Normally pulled in a bun with some coleslaw. Or pulled with some sliced peices.
 
Pork shoulder and pork butt are both used... depends on the store's nomenclature I guess.

Most folks on this site probably do pulled pork. It's on for a longer period of time. Take it off at an internal temp of around 195-205 when it's fork tender - that's more important than temp.

Some here will slice it. If that's the case, you'll want to take it off with an internal temp of around 145-160. Hopefully others will speak up with their experiences, especially about slicing recommendations. I always do pulled pork, and I do the high heat method.

Hope this was some help....
 
Thanks all. I'm printing this out now and hoping to use it soon.

Earthquake yesterday, hurricane this weekend--hopefully there will be time to smoke some butts in the interim!!
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I wonder what others use for alternatives for a butt/shoulder for pulled pork. A local grocery (Woodman's) has bags of meat they call boneless rib tip trimmings. Most of the chunks are fist size and up and are well marbled with fat. They're also less expensive than a butt. Because they're smaller, there is more surface area to adsorb smoke and they finish sooner than a whole butt. Another consequence is that you can fit less in a smoker. (OTOH I could probably overcome that with the third grate I put in my WSM for ribs.)

I'm curious if anyone else uses anything like this instead of the traditional butt. I actually did a but for the first time recently and feel it has no particular advantage other than being able to fit more in the cooker at one time.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mike Willis:
Pork shoulder and pork butt are both used... depends on the store's nomenclature I guess.

Most folks on this site probably do pulled pork. It's on for a longer period of time. Take it off at an internal temp of around 195-205 when it's fork tender - that's more important than temp.

Some here will slice it. If that's the case, you'll want to take it off with an internal temp of around 145-160. Hopefully others will speak up with their experiences, especially about slicing recommendations. I always do pulled pork, and I do the high heat method.

Hope this was some help.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless cooking with foil or using ^^^"the high heat method" like Mikey^^^, first check for tenderness no later than 190* IT, and it really ought to be tender by the 200* mark. Never in my life have I cooked one low-n-slow (225-275*) to a 205*IT that wasn't overcooked.

Also be careful wrapping butts up in foil for long that came apart when you took them off the grate. Residual cooking of a foil wrapped and resting butt can and will turn one that's perfect into one that's turning to mush and starting to dry out if left in a hot cooler for too long.

One other thing I take issue with here it slicing temp. Don't pull off the grate to slice before AT LEAST 170*, and I'd probably wait to 175*, myself. A 145* IT is just way too low, more like the earliest temp to pull a brined pork loin off a smoker. You don't want to slice though. Pulled pork is the best use of a Boston butt, pork butt, blade roast, whatever you want to call it. Don't shred. Just pull the meat apart into thumb-sized chunks and enough to pick at least the larger pieces of fat and gristle out. Don't be too picky though, since the fat will add flavor and the longer you mess with it and the smaller the pieces, the more it dries out. Properly done, you don't need to add any sauce until serving, and some might not even want any, then.

As to size, decent sized pork butts will on average have more moisture. I recommend 7-9lb ones if doing two to a grate, and yes, turning the butt so that both sides are exposed to the heat zone will even up cooking. Pick one or two even larger if you want to do one to a grate, but be ready for a long cook and possible refueling if you use both grates for two bigun's. However, regarding flavor and bark, use enough rub and smoke and they'll have all the flavor they need, no matter how big.
 
Leftovers freeze just fine, even if you don't have a "FoodSaver". Just get as much air out of the bags as possible, and don't forget about it.

We usually don't freeze any though. As long as you use proper handling and care, leftover BBQ from the fridge should be fine for at least four days after smoking. The last time I BBQ'ed pork butts, I believe I had pork with a fork, pulled pork sandwiches, " " loaded baked potatoes, and " " nachos all within the same week. I don't usually put as much on the smoker unless cooking also for neighbors or friends, but thankfully it was one of my best smokes yet. Can't wait til Labor Day weekend.
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Dang! I was going to smoke some this weekend and now we are forecast for a hurricane. 70% chance of rain on Saturday and Sunday. Plus wind.

Kinda kills the idea of a good weekend smoke.
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Dave, thanks for the correction regarding my post. I haven't done a pork butt I've sliced, but I thought I remembered reading the temps for it on this site somewhere. I shouldn't speak about that which I do not know...
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As for my technique for high heat, I put the butt on a rack in a foil pan. When the butt hits 165 I wrap foil over the butt and secure the foil to the edges of the pan and let it finish.

Sorry Jeff, I should have been a little clearer regarding my technique!

Best of luck with whatever version you try! Just have fun no matter which style you do!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mike Willis:
Dave, thanks for the correction regarding my post. I haven't done a pork butt I've sliced, but I thought I remembered reading the temps for it on this site somewhere. I shouldn't speak about that which I do not know...
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Mike, you're most welcome. If we're all too polite to politely disagree or add a point of clarification, then I think that really stifles learning on the forum.

I really appreciate your attitude though, and just a couple of weeks ago I learned that I shouldn't be posting that it's ok to put tender, hot, foil-wrapped pork butts in a hot cooler and hold for six hours with no issues! How many times have I agreed that was ok to do without someone raising the issue of residual cooking?
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