Brisket & Pork Butt Together?


 

Rusty James

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I found a marked-down piece of beef brisket, and bought it, but it only weighs about 1.3 pounds. Can I smoke it along with two pork butts? I assume the brisket will take about the same amount of time to cook as the larger butts?

I know zero about brisket.
 
1.3 pounds of brisket will cook faster than the pork butts. If I was doing it I would put the brisket on the top rack cuz it will be coming off first. Also I wouldn't want the pork dripping on the beef.
 
Did an all-night cook for the first time, last night, in near-freezing temps (a first for me). I placed two butts on separate racks as usual, and I also placed an 8oz slab of Kentucky Legend ham on the top rack too.

I did the usual Minion Method with Royal Oak lump, and I placed about 6 chunks of hickory on the bare grate and filled it in with lump - to the point it was heaping over the ring. Next, I placed a generous portion (about 8" diameter) of some leftover Jack Daniels chips on top of the lump. I lit a small portion of previously used coals in the Weber chimney and tossed in some left over hickory scraps from the bottom of the bag and let them catch fire too.

The chimney coals and wood were raging well, so I dumped them on the heap, reassembled the stack with the butts and ham slice (around 2:00 am), and let the WSM do its thing. Temps were slow to rise during the first hour, so I opened all three bottom vents. The WSM belched out white smoke (as I have seen it do before), so I paid little attention to it as I knew the smoke would die down eventually. I pulled the ham at 3:30 am, and sampled it.

It tasted YUCK!

Evidently, I was tasting creosote, and it was so bitter, I had to chew gum to get the taste out of my mouth. I put the ham (sealed in a bag) in the fridge hoping the taste would mellow out later on.

It did not.

It was so bad (even the wife hated it), I cut it up and threw it out to the neighbor's cats.

The white smoke was gone, and the WSM was around 250* when I threw on the brisket. I hit the hay around 5:00 am, and pulled the brisket at 8:00 am (internal temp was around 200*). I removed the stack and dumped the rest of the Royal Oak lump before going back to bed. I pulled the butts around 1:00 pm, and they have been sitting, wrapped, in a cold oven until they cool down to the touch.

My wife and I sampled the top butt, and, although we could taste a bit of creosote, we thought it had a good flavor over all. Butts usually mellow out over time anyway, so I assume the meat will be OK when it comes to BBQ time.

Is it best to wait until the white smoke is completely gone before placing meat on the racks? After last night's smoke, I need to reexamine my process.

EDIT: Almost forgot. Since the buts were too hot to pull, we sliced up the brisket and warmed it in a pan of low sodium beef broth for dinner. Even after warming the meat in broth, we thought it was a bit dry (flavorful nonetheless), and we served it up with some mustard-based BBQ sauce (sort of like honey mustard), and we liked it very much.

The pan drippings were sensational! Next time, we will serve the drippings over potatoes or rice.
 
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It's best to wait until the white smoke goes away before adding product to the cooker.
It usually takes 50 minutes or so with the MM. Ideally, you want Thin Blue Smoke (TBS) or invisible smoke.
fwiw - the 6 chunks of hickory is about twice what is recommended for a cook, along with the chips & scrap you used... so you setup for a heavy smoke.
Can't say as I blame you, because I prefer "smoked" meat. If you check out Enricos method of building a fire, you will find some good information.
Myself... I've never had much luck cooking small pieces of brisket on the WSM although some folks do it successfully.
 
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Thanks, Robert.

One thing (or things) that stymied my slow-climbing smoke temps was...

1) Ambient temps in the 30s
2) Cold water in the pan
3) Minion Method - combined with the above two

I have had such good luck with lump charcoal, I thought that the smoker temps would rise quickly, but it must have been at least 45 minutes to an hour before they did (tended to stay below 200 during that time). I had one bottom vent closed, too, due to a northerly breeze. Opening that vent help get the fire going better. During most of this time, white smoke was seen coming out of the top, but at night, it was hard to tell if it was steam or smoke, so I ignored it.

We like the woodsy flavor of hickory-smoked pork in these parts, so that is the reason for the extra wood.

Since my last post, we removed the meat from the bones, and much of the meat is tolerable, but some of the bark has a creosote bite to it. A little sauce helps it out. ;)

All I can say is lesson learned.

Does Enrico have links to some of his info?
 
https://youtu.be/Qal2DsCHY7c

That's Enrico's site, I subscribe and enjoy it too.

A few recommendations:

All vents open on startup.

Use more lit coals on start-up.

Put wood on top of coals.

Use hot water (I use about half gallon)

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Try leaving your door open during startup until you're sure of these steps. I add hot tap water last, using a 2 liter plastic watering can with a long spout thru the door when I see the coals are lighting well and the wood is burning. Then I shut the door and keep my eye on it for 10-15 minutes until it stabilizes. Then add meat and adjust vents.
 
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https://youtu.be/Qal2DsCHY7c

That's Enrico's site, I subscribe and enjoy it too.

A few recommendations:

All vents open on startup.

Use more lit coals on start-up.

Put wood on top of coals.

Use hot water (I use about half gallon)

Edit:
Try leaving your door open during startup until you're sure of these steps. I add hot tap water last, using a 2 liter plastic watering can with a long spout thru the door when I see the coals are lighting well and the wood is burning. Then I shut the door and keep my eye on it for 10-15 minutes until it stabilizes. Then add meat and adjust vents.


He posted a photo a while back with a large piece of wood on the bare grate before adding coals. He recommends placing wood on top too?

EDIT: We had Q for dinner today, and it tasted fairly good (go figure). Pork butt has to be the most forgiving piece of meat I have ever seen.
 
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No, Enrico usually recommends covering the wood, depending on the cook. I like to do my smoking on the front end of the cook.

The issues you're having are pretty fundamental, so I recommended some basic steps that might help you. Good luck
 
The issues you're having are pretty fundamental, so I recommended some basic steps that might help you. Good luck.


Yeah, I'm almost certain the creosote issue was due to a not-warm-enough smoker.

Things will be different in the future. These kind of incidents tend to leave bold mental notes in the brain without the need for writing it down. :D
 

 

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