Advice on a starter pork shoulder recipe


 

DAMIAN

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Hi
I have never tried a slow long cook before and in June have a about 20 people coming over for a BBQ and wanted to do the Chris Lilly recipe. Before that I wanted to have a try on a smaller scale not using such a big cut of meat, can I simply use a smaller cut and adjust the rub accordingly and how much charcoal should I be looking to use, I have a 22.5" weber kettle.

Thanks
Damian
 
Damian - Welcome to the Forum! You'll find a lot of helpful information in the past topics and posts. The folks on this forum represent thousands of cooks of experience on every kind of grilling and smoking.

Starting out as you are, the VERY best advice I can give you is (1) immediately order a copy of Gary Wiviott's book "Low and Slow" from Amazon.com (do it right now!), and (2) how ever you decide to do your butt for your company in June, do a full-scale practice run at least once before you do the cook for your friends.

Having graduated from a 22 inch Weber kettle to a WSM for smoking, I've got a little advice about smoking on the Weber Kettle. The biggest problem I had using the kettle for lower and slower cooking was keeping the temperatures DOWN to where I wanted them to be. I finally realized that to keep temps around 300 - 325, where I wanted them to be (I don't recommend trying to go really low and slow on the kettle - don't fret - you'll be getting yourself a WSM soon enough), I had to use only one bank of coals.

I also recommend putting in about a half chimney of unlit coals, banked to one side of the charcoal grate, put a disposable, half-sized aluminum pan next to the charcoal on the charcoal grate, set the bottom vents to about 20% open, then light about 10 briquettes and put those on top of the unlit (something of a Minion Method start for the charcoal).

It'll be really helpful if you have installed a thermometer on the lid of the Weber. I get mine at Academy.

Use your top vent to regulate the heat around 300-325 and plan on adding 5 - 6 charcoal briquettes every hour after the first hour or so.

How to add them? If you have one of the hinged grates, that's the easiest way. But you can get a cheap grate at Academy and use a dremmel tool to cut away some of the bars on one side so it's easier to drop in the coals. If you do that, just slide the lid to one side, keeping the meat covered to hold in heat, drop in your coals and put the lid back on - resist the desire to peek.

You'll need a good instant read meat thermometer. When the temp of the butt gets to about 160, wrap the meat in a thick layer of foil and let it keep on keeping on until the internal temp hits about 195. Pull the pork and let it rest, pull, sauce, eat, enjoy the accolades of your friends.

Using Weber Kettle as Smoker

Another link

There used to be a great diagram showing how to set up the Weber kettle as a smoker, but I can't find it on the net right now.

As far as the rub is concerned, I like the Chris Lilly rub and use it a lot. Don't worry about the quantity - make the full recipe and store whatever you don't need in an airtight bottle. I usually make a triple or quadruple recipe so I have more when I need it.

Good luck, let us know how it goes and post pictures!

Pat
 
Thank you both for your replies I am going to try it with a small cut of about 8lbs in the next couple of weeks so will post the outcome
 
I really like the link k kruger posted. Before I got a couple actual smokers I played around with using the kettle for one. 1 pile of coals was consistently more manageable than 2. Start with a low number of lit coals. You can always open the vents and make it hotter, bringing it back down is a bit more of a pain.

Don't expect the kettle to keep super consistent temps. Once you get tired of managing the fire in it you can always wrap it up and stick it in the oven to finish too.

Don't worry too much about failure either. Butts want to be bbq, you'd have to try really really hard to mess one up.
 
Welcome aboard Damien! Glad you started this thread. It has got me in the mood to try a smoke at my daughter's house as they only have a kettle. Let us know how yours come out.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DAMIAN:
Thank you both for your replies I am going to try it with a small cut of about 8lbs in the next couple of weeks so will post the outcome </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Welcome aboard! Always do a test run before you cook for someone else. The only thing you cannot control is the weather. I`ve BBQ`d in all weather, including snow storms but its tough when the elements are windy. Hang out and read as much as you can on this forum, you will learn a lot. Buy a couple of books too! Happy smoking.
 
Well I had my first and it was a moderate success using a 4.5lb boned shoulder. I was using lumpwood and filled up one side of the grate right to the grill and then lit about 6 other pieces and once ashed over scattered them on the unlit. The temperature started around 250 bu kept rising and levelled out around the 300-325 where is stayed for the next 5 hours without any intervention. Now the downside, I had forgot to foil the meat when it hit 160 and forgot I was going out so didn't pull the pork when I took it off and I just put in a dish covered the dish with foil and left it, came back it this morning and it was just like cutting a normal joint except tasting a lot better with the rub. So I assume that cooling allows all the meat to go back to its normal state.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So I assume that cooling allows all the meat to go back to its normal state. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, it does not.
 
it had been refigerated overnight and when I went to cut it sliced easily and looked like a joint you would have cooked in the oven, but it was a bit more tender to bite than an normal oven cooked joint
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DAMIAN:
Well I had my first and it was a moderate success using a 4.5lb boned shoulder. I was using lumpwood and filled up one side of the grate right to the grill and then lit about 6 other pieces and once ashed over scattered them on the unlit. The temperature started around 250 bu kept rising and levelled out around the 300-325 where is stayed for the next 5 hours without any intervention. Now the downside, I had forgot to foil the meat when it hit 160 and forgot I was going out so didn't pull the pork when I took it off and I just put in a dish covered the dish with foil and left it, came back it this morning and it was just like cutting a normal joint except tasting a lot better with the rub. So I assume that cooling allows all the meat to go back to its normal state. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You took the shoulder off when it hit 160. I would suggest you take it off closer to 185-190. Also, 5 hours seems a bit too quick for a shoulder. It seems your smoker was a bit too high temp wise. Next time when it hits 250, close the bottom vents half way. If you can stabilize the smoker at that temp, you should have perfect shoulder in about 10 hours, thats for a small shoulder. A 10 pounder will take closer to 16 hours.
 
I didn't get the impression from the OP that DAMIAN pulled it at 160, just that he had planned to foil and didn't, removing it some time later. Perhaps I'm mistaken though.

300-325 is fine for shoulder. Butt really doesn't need to be smoked all that low, though a somewhat lower temp can be helpful for more typically sized, larger bone-in butts. (I do prefer 250-265 myself.)

DAMIAN, from what you wrote two things come to mind: Either the butt was undercooked just enough so that pulling it wasn't possible, as Ernest notes (though certainly tender enough to be acceptable), or the problem was in the chilling. Butt needs to be warm or hot to pull well. Once chilled, the internal fat and connective tissue firms, making the meat more sliceable, less pullable. This is less the case if the meat is cooked to fall-apart tender, but is more the case if taken to the 'early pullable' stage.
 
Hey Kruger,

Yes, I`m just trying to go on what he wrote in his post there... not exactly sure. We`ll have to wait for him to get back to us to figure out what went wrong.

I always foil shoulder immediately after removing it from the WSM, then let it sit for an hour before I pull.
 
Guys thanks for both your replies, to clarify it was a 4lb boneless shoulder, I forgot to foil at 160 and removed at around 180 becuase I was going out. I then placed it in a dish and covered it with foil left it on the side then refrigerated when it was cooled when I got home that night and cut it the next day. From what has been said I guess I need to leave it longer cooking, let it sit for an hour and then pull it.
Thanks for all the guidance, I will report back next time
Damian
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DAMIAN:
Guys thanks for both your replies, to clarify it was a 4lb boneless shoulder, I forgot to foil at 160 and removed at around 180 becuase I was going out. I then placed it in a dish and covered it with foil left it on the side then refrigerated when it was cooled when I got home that night and cut it the next day. From what has been said I guess I need to leave it longer cooking, let it sit for an hour and then pull it.
Thanks for all the guidance, I will report back next time
Damian </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damian,

Yes, this in a nutshell:

Smoke till you get an internal temp of 185-190.
Remove Shoulder from WSM, foil immediately.
Let it sit for 1 hour, then pull.
Devour!

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Looking forward to your next smoke, IT WILL ROCK.
 

 

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