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Did a few racks of St. Louis cut ribs today. Simple rub of salt, sweet paprika, onion powder left overnight in 'fridge. Smoked for about 5 hours at ~200-225 degrees with a combo of hickory and apple wood chips (using up the stash; chunks next time). Mopped with apple juice/cider vinegar/olive oil combo every 2 hrs. and sauced lightly at end. Looked great, but came out a little tough, and "powdery" with the rub (everybody always says be generous with the rub). Any advice for this novice in regards to other rubs, less rub, cooking time, etc.
 
think maybe you cooked a little to low of temp. Also maybe could have used a little more time. hour or so. good luck next time
 
Thanks! My wife thought I cooked too long and I thought it could have used more for more tender ribs. I'm looking for an easy pull away from the bone, not falling off; these were definitely too tough.
Had a windy, drizzly day with 40ish degree weather but plenty of fuel (Minion) and I played with the vents. My thought was for lower temps for more tenderness. Incorrect? Perhaps 230-250 degrees?
 
Raymond sounds like the ribs were undercooked, 200-225 is real low temp, 225 steady or higher temp u would have been fine i believe, as for the rub generous is ok but sounds like u caked it on, also the rub needs to be massaged into the meat if that makes sense, i personally apply the rub couple of hrs before i start the cook. Next time try 250-275 temp range i think u will like it. Better luck next time Raymond.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Raymond Kawasaki:
Did a few racks of St. Louis cut ribs today. Simple rub of salt, sweet paprika, onion powder left overnight in 'fridge. Smoked for about 5 hours at ~200-225 degrees with a combo of hickory and apple wood chips (using up the stash; chunks next time). Mopped with apple juice/cider vinegar/olive oil combo every 2 hrs. and sauced lightly at end. Looked great, but came out a little tough, and "powdery" with the rub (everybody always says be generous with the rub). Any advice for this novice in regards to other rubs, less rub, cooking time, etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go much lighter on the rub than what you would with pork shoulder or brisket, and don't put the ribs on the cooker before they're wet and shiny looking. Don't do it the night before, though. You're not trying to cure them. You just want to draw a little moisture out for the rub to soak up, and it won't take over an hour, especially if they've lost their chill from trimming and skinning. (Harry Soo of Slap yo Daddy bbq calls this "letting the rub sweat into the meat", and if in a hurry, put a light coat of mustard on the ribs first.)

However, it sounds like your main problem was you simply didn't cook them long enough. I don't cook spares like this all the time, but if I cook low-n-slow under 225, I'll spritz quite often once the rub sets, 20 min. to every half hour, w/ ribs preferred to lay flat, bone down. Even w/ only occasional mopping though, every rack of ribs I ever cooked at those temps took over six hours.

Bottom line w/ spares: Cook til tender and not a minute more. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but you get my drift. You overcook, and they dry out QUICK! You want the meat to pull clean from the bone, not fall off the bone, or rather have the bone fall out. HTH
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Agree on the undercooked.

If you have a few hours to spare (sorry) do a search on 3-2-1 for about ten more approaches. I'm in the 2-1-.5 camp myself.

Aluminum foil is your friend.
Or not. Lots of ways to skin a cat.

Ron
 
On Halloween weekend I cooked spares (trimmed to St. Louis style)at around an average of 280 degrees for around 6.5 hours. They were perfect - tender and juicy. I didn't foil. I'd guess that you might get awat with such a short cook time for babybacks, but not spares.
 
Raymond this is how i cook spares.
Trim to St.Louis wash & pat dry, rub the ribs with a simple rub that i like kosher salt, tones restaurant black pepper, ground cumin & granulated garlic, sprinkle ribs with dry oregano, rosemary & basil cover ribs with foil and back into fridge while getting the smoker ready, minion start the smoker with kblue & 2 mesquite chunks with about 15 lit coals, put ribs on rite away catch my target temp on the way up, my target temp is 275, cook ribs 2-2.5hrs start spritzing after 1hr spritz contains beer, apple juice & canola oil, wrap in foil for 1/2-1hr no more than 1 hr, remove ribs from foil and back on smoker another 1/2hr to firm back up that's it.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Z:
On Halloween weekend I cooked spares (trimmed to St. Louis style)at around an average of 280 degrees for around 6.5 hours. They were perfect - tender and juicy. I didn't foil. I'd guess that you might get awat with such a short cook time for babybacks, but not spares. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those must've been some THICK spares to need over six hours at 280!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dave Russell:
Those must've been some THICK spares to need over six hours at 280! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought about that as I wrote - I need to check my thermometer maybe
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. However, they were probably the best ones that I have done so far. 11:30 AM to 5:30ish PM.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dave Russell:
Those must've been some THICK spares to need over six hours at 280! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought about that as I wrote - I need to check my thermometer maybe
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. However, they were probably the best ones that I have done so far. 11:30 AM to 5:30ish PM. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check your therm and let us know what you find out. I think I had the opposite happen, my rib cook before last.

I was trying to do a low-n-slow cook w/ 3 St. louis slabs, and they all were done in under five hours. I checked the therm, and sure enough, it was over 25 degrees off if I remember.

The nice lady w/ Weber said I'll be getting another one in the mail.
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