2nd cook--Not So Hot (literally)


 

dannyR

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started planning a chili party about 6 weeks ago for this past weekend, and in the meantime convinced the mrs. that i needed a smoker because i wanted to do ribs as well. My shiney new WSM showed up in late september, and I took it for a test run the next weekend. Did 2 racks of back ribs without much trouble, although the cooker seemed to run pretty hot; about 290 at the lid. I assumed I used too much lit charcoal at the beginning, and the ribs were room temp when I put them in the smoker. Regardless, they came out delicous after about 4+ hours, and I decided I was ready to up the ante for my party.

Well, that didn't work out so well. What seemed somewhat simple, i realized is much more of an art...BBQ has many variables, and I'm the first in my extended family to take this on as a new hobby (yes, another sheltered new englander).

Anyway, I packed 8 racks of back ribs into the smoker; and this time, i used cool water in an effort to keep the temp lower compared to the first cook, and i also put the meat into the cooker within minutes of taking it out of the fridge. This time, i used only 25 lit coals to get things going (mini minion i think)--again, trying not to cook as hot as the first time.

Unfortunately, my cooker never got above 190 at the lid, and after 4 1/2 hours, i had to pull the ribs and throw them in the oven for 90 mins at 310. A cop out i know, but i'm not licensed to serve sashimi, and my guests were getting sick of chili and were very ready for the ribs (I had been hyping them up for the past month).
8 racks were devoured in about 13 minutes, so I'm pretty sure they were tastey...but I'd like to think I could do a large cook as easily (and confidently) as the first, without using the oven as a crutch.

Here's what I think went wrong, and any other suggestions or observations would be greatly appreciated. I'm a newbie to BBQ and have no problem with criticism.

--too much meat and not enough air circulation?
--not enough lit fuel to start?
--water to cold for cooking on a cool day?
--skid that i had blocking the wind limited air flow into the cooker?
--meat too cold to start with?

and why did that first cook run so hot?? is it really from the heat reflection in a brand new WSM with so grease on the walls??

Thanks for the help.

dannyBoy
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Here's what I think went wrong, and any other suggestions or observations would be greatly appreciated. I'm a newbie to BBQ and have no problem with criticism.

--too much meat and not enough air circulation?
--not enough lit fuel to start?
--water to cold for cooking on a cool day?
--skid that i had blocking the wind limited air flow into the cooker?
--meat too cold to start with? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Need a bit more info....what were your vent settings? If mine is running low temp, I first open vents, then crack open the door (put on upside down), lastly add a few lit coals, never experienced the problem you describe.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and why did that first cook run so hot?? is it really from the heat reflection in a brand new WSM with so grease on the walls??

Thanks for the help.

dannyBoy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Air leaks are the usual cause if you had your vents all the way closed (check seal at door and midsection), but these temps are a fine way to go to make ribs, as your end result showed. 1/2 ring with 12 lit coals, catch the temps on the way up and I can hold 250 all day with minor adjustments.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">--too much meat and not enough air circulation? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>8 racks is in no way too much.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">--not enough lit fuel to start? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I cook spares at 290, back ribs 25-35? higher, and start with ~25 lit. Not an issue. I just don't close off vents as the temps rise and i do not put anything in the pan. For low/slow I start with 12-15. (Increase if cold outside.)<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">--water to cold for cooking on a cool day? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes. There is no need for cold water as the Minion start sets the temp tone. Further, cold meat (I virtually always start with cold meat--even for my typical high heat cooks) will act as a heat sink--ribs less so than massive butts but a sink nevertheless. Hot water, cold meat (no need to let the meat warm), not too many lit, restricting air intake on the way up, combine to make low/slow pretty easy. (I use a mini-Minion (3-5 lit) for bacon and cool water. For typical low/slows I use the combo just mentioned. For a 4-butt cook in cold weather I might up the lit by 50% and use near-boiling water.)<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">--skid that i had blocking the wind limited air flow into the cooker? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It won't; it can't.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">--meat too cold to start with? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Not at all. (See above.) <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> and why did that first cook run so hot?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You didn't really say how you set up for your first cook. If you used the standard method or lots of lit and didn't restrict the airflow early on, then yes, too much lit at the beginning.

Welcome to the board and the world of home-cooked barbecue!
 
1st cook was set up "by the book"--1/3 lit chimney poured over full chimney of unlit coals and wood (i think 1/3 chimney was too much to start with). All vents were wide open until the cooker hit about 200 at the lid, and then the bottom 3 were kicked down to about 1/3 open. When the temp kept rising, i tapped the bottoms back to about 1/4 open or even a bit less, and things stabilized at 290-300(lid) for the rest of the cook. When i checked the ribs (tear test) at 4hrs, they pulled right apart; so i figured them done; but when i bit into them they were bright pink and almost mushy...not sure what that was all about. I tossed them on my genesis after saucing for about 10 mins and they looked more like I was used to....so maybe I pulled them off originally a bit too early (excited I guess). No smoke ring on these though.

However, I got a great smoke ring during that 2nd cook, and I've read on the forum that the ring only develops during the lower temps.

thanks for the help guys, i'll keep tuned in for any more tips.
 
Smokerings are chemical reactions that are more likely to occur if the meat is at lower temps (hence my use of cold meat). Smoking low/slow combined with cold meat can deepen rings (though there are other factors at play and this dosn't always work) but the temp of the meat going in seems more operative in my experience. I cook spares in the upper 200s and backs ~325/335, as noted, brisket ~325/335 (or higher) as well. I always get smokerings--but I always start with cold meat.

Vent changes take 20 min or a bit more to make a difference. What will happen as you cook more is that you'll get usedto the rate of temp rise (or fall) relative to the fuel you have going and any adjustment you make to the vents. You'll start noticing differences in the speed of the rise (or fall) and will soon make adjustments, minor though they may be, based on that, without the need to wait for the entire affect of the previous adjustment to be realized. It is not unlike learning to drive a stick. In the beginning one thinks about it all the time (accelerator, clutch, shifter, oh my!) but with experience one thinks less about it as it becomes more based on feel, not thought. So too the WSM. As you cook more you'll simply start 'knowing' in advance what to do with vents or fuel or whatever with scarcely a thought.
 
A great trick I read about but never used until recently. If you can't get the temps up no matter what you do (it's happened to me several times early) instead of opening the door I read that you can try and just barely open the lid. Not completely, just slightly ajar. It draws a lot of air, and draws it up to the top, so no wasted smoke
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If that's not enough, open it further.

Once I got near the temp I wanted, closed the lid, and it smoothed out nicely.

I had no idea what was going on but with all my vents open I couldn't get past 215 lid. And this was with a full chimney of lit with one layer of unlit over it. Just sat there at 215. Unseated the lid, and I hit 250 shortly.
 
Oh my high heat brisket cooks, I prop the lid open with a skewer, as opposed to the upside down door method. Works beautifully, and temps hold nice and high. No loss of smoke, and the heat makes it all the way to the top before exiting.
 
dannyR wasn't shooting for a high heat cook I don't believe (see the OP). He was having trouble getting up to normal low/slow temps on his second cook and his questions concern this, and why his first cook was high.
 
Assuming your cooker has no defects, temp control typically boils down to 2 things in view:
1.) Fire management
2.) External conditiions

On fire management, I mean a few things here like:
- starting with the proper amount of lit
- ensuring your starting coals are WELL lit
- having ample fuel available
With a "low and slow" cook you should never NEED more oxygen then can be provided by the vents. If you have vents 100% and you can't get the heat to 250, then your fire isn't big enough. I've had to remove the midsection and fan the coals before when i undershot on the lit coals (i love the handles mod).

Finally, external conditions play a HUGE role. While the WSM has good solid construction, it hasn't a chance against a good wind. Just think about how much colder you feel on a windy day... its the same effect. Creating wind breaks is a good idea on those days, but ensure they are actually wind breaks. Unless your skids are different then mine, all you are doing is slightly slowing and diverting that wind... aim for solid surfaces. It may be ghetto, but I have even had to use a wheel barrow tipped on it's nose!! haha
 
I wanted to second the "prop the lid" with a skewer. When I do high heat cooks, I frequently have trouble keeping the heat up so I end up propping the door open after turning it upside down. Kind of a pain. On a recent cook, I propped open the lid with a skewer as MikeR. mentions above, as have others, and my temps shot up in about ten minutes. Great idea.

Bob
 

 

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