I hate them. I've got a brisket and two butts going right now. I've got an analog probe stuck in one of the top vents, reading about 260. Sure, it's supposed to be hot up there. I've got a Maverick et-73 on the top rack reading 209 -- after like 1.5 hours, with bottom vents open. I guess there's a lot of stuff in there so it's taking a while to get up. I stuck the food probe into the brisket andit's reading 165. O.k. Maybe I stuck it in too far or too shallow. But then I put a polder probe in next to the maverick oven probe, and it's at 240! Jayzoo Kristay. What's a fellow to do?