Points vs Flats, Temp Plateaus and Others


 

Derek Ryder

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I had my first WSM experience this weekend -- a steallar success -- after having a class from Ron Shewchuk, Canada's BBQ champ. I have some questions & observations for the forum.

1) I ordered two whole, untrimmed briskets of 10-12 lbs from my local butcher, and what I got was two 8 lb brisket points. I was told by both the butcher where I got this, and another butcher in my local grocery store, that points is all they ever see here in the land of Alberta beef. One said that a point + flat was only a special order product that they would have to go straight to the slaughterhouse for, and would take 2-3 weeks to get in. Elsewhere in the forums, I see people talking about how they can't get points or wholes, only flats. What gives? Do Albertans not know how to butcher meat?

2) I wanted to trim the fat cap, but the point has no consequential fat cap. I was worried that (based on other posts in this forum) the meat would be dry or not hold together in slices -- "point is better for shredding" was the way most put it. It turned out like restaurant quality brisket I used to get in Texas, so I would have no fear about using points again.

3) I used the Midnight Method with a plan for a 15 hour cook, and had two temperature plateaus, one that caused me a lot of grief. The first was from 7:00 AM to 11:00 AM, when the temp stuck at 151. The second started at 1 PM, with the temp stuck at 162. It was still stuck at 162 at 3:15 PM, despite me raising the WSM temp to 275 at about 2 PM. This stall necessitated a switch to the "start in the smoker, finish in the oven" method, and I finally got to 198 internal at 4:30 PM. I know a temperature plateau in not unusual, but are TWO plateaus normal?

4) Also, in finishing in the oven, I opted to blast the temp figuring the foil wrapping would handle it, so started in a 375 oven until the 168 mark, then dropped the temp to 300. I can't say this was optimal, but it sure tasted good after resting for 2 hrs -- and I got it to the table exactly on schedule.

Everything else worked like clockwork. The end product was superb -- tender and moist, with great bark and nuce burnt ends, and a really deep smoke ring.

The WSM rules!
 
Derek,

You cooked the flat. A flat can weigh anywhere from 4 or 5 lbs to maybe 9or 10 lbs. There is only a layer of fat on the bottom.

The point is very fatty and does not make very many slices (usually it is chunked or chopped).

It is not uncommon to have different plateaus.

However, I mostly do high heat brisket cooks, so I don't stall at a plateau.

Glad it turned out well.
 
Always plan on cooking brisket for at least 1 1/2 to 2 hours per pound. Depending on the cut of the meat and its density, you could experience some fairly long plateaus. So, if you plan for the long cook you will have plenty of time to get it done without going to the oven.

Also, there is a quick cook method that works great for brisket and pork butt if you are pressed for time. Its very easy, heres what I do:

Cook the brisket at 275* until the internal temp reaches 165*, then wrap the brisket in heavy duty foil and return to the smoker until it reaches 190*. Let it rest a couple of hours and you are ready to go. Total cook time for 7 or 8 pounder has been about 7/8 hours for me. Sometimes a little longer.
 
Craig, two butchers swore I got the point and not the flat, the cryovac package was labeled "brisket point", and the picturs on the WSM site tell me that's what I got. It was triangular, 5+" thick on one end and tapered to less than an inch on the other. There was also no real layer of fat anywhere, just a slight film on one side. But it still tasted very, very good...

And Tony, I planned a 15 hr cook for an 8.3 lb brisket, which works out to 1 hr 50 min/lb. After 14 hrs 15 min (equating in time to 1 hr 45 min/lb) I was still 28 degrees short on internal temperature. When I switched to the adapted quick cook method (wrapping in foil, then finishing in a 375 oven) the temp was still stalled at 162 for an additional 25 min before it started climbing. I suspect that had I left it in the smoker, it might have taken an additional 2 1/2 or more hours to get to target, as opposed to the 75 mn it took in the oven -- north of 2 hrs/lb.
 

 

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