Kingsford. I thought it would never happen to me. (sorry ...long)


 

Gerd H

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Let me start by saying, I have always used Kingsford blue bag exclusively for my charcoal needs, regardless of which of my cookers I was using. (The only real exception was the bull market on Rancher from a few years ago where they were practically giving it away).

I never understood people that complained of the off gassing or foul smells that they associated with Kingsford blue. Other than very minor odor in the chimney ignition process, I never smelled anything other than "burning charcoal" when running it in my smokers.

I've used it in insulated cabinet, a vertical offset, a horizontal offset, and in my WSM22s. NEVER a problem. This is going on 8 years.

Last week I got a WSM18. The first time I fired it up, I smelled a distinct smell that I originally called "alcohol" but now better describe as "ammonia". The smell was persistent through the entire burn, NOT just at start up (small Minion fire with a target temp of 225 that ran 7-8 hours). Since it was the first time I fired the "new to me but not new" cooker up, I figured maybe there was something in there that needed to burn off, despite the fact that I scrubbed the thing spotless before ever lighting it. In fact, I began to wonder if I got zealous with simple green and coated the cooker with it by accident. Also, I will point out I was running three other cookers at the time, all with blue K from the "same bags", and this one was the only one with an odor.

A couple days later, I decided to try again. This time I decided to turn the heat up, in case I really was trying to burn something off. I ran it around 300 for an hour or two of a 6 hour burn. I will say, the smell was definitely reduced, but I clearly smelled "ammonia" at times.

Today, I did it again. Blue Kingsford, and I got that fire HOT. I mean real hot. I mean "Don't tell John how high that stoker probe really reads" hot.

Guess what: There were still several (albeit infrequent) periods of slight ammonia, especially when the cooker was at the lower points of my temperature curves that I was runnign it through.

I have a theory: that little WSM is very air tight, and is simply restricting air flow so much that the normal ignition an burn is being impeded enough that I can smell the combustion happening. Anybody that has cooked with a 18 and a 22 will vouch that the 18 is much "tighter". Is it too efficient for my kind of cook? Why aren't others noticing this?

So, now I am worried. A product I have come to rely on for it's affordability and consistency suddenly is not going to work for me? Does this make any sense? Do any other Kingsford lovers have similar tales? My next test is to get some lump and run it through the same way, but believe me, that is not really the "answer" I am hoping for.

Thoughts are appreciated.
 
I have used Kingsford for years and have not experienced the ammonia smell. You are doing all of the right things to get the smell out of the cooker by heating it up. I agree that your next move is to try a different charcoal or lump to eliminate or confirm the Kingsford as the source of the odor. As long as the bottom vents are open and the top vent is open, it should be a clean burning fire. My WSM usually runs with the bottom vents closed for at least half of the cook session, and still I get a properly smelling fire. Keep us posted on how this turns out.
 
I've been unhappy with the smell of Kingsford and Royal Oak burning and on first starting it in the chimney ever since I've been using Stubbs. I can't say I've smelled ammonia, though.
 
I've also noticed the ammonia smell and caught a whiff of it on the end of some ribs I cooked this winter, I've been burning stubbs lately and will probably stay with it.
 
The only thing I get every once in a while is a slight off aroma when temps get high while doing a couple different beef recipes. Nothing that affects the taste though. I get no "off aromas" while in the 250 range. I'm about halfway through 300+ pounds I bought around December (I think). I haven't had any problems. Maybe your 18" just needs to be "aged". I haven't cleaned mine in years. Except for this weekend I cleaned some chicken grease build up out of the charcoal bowl.

Just a thought. In the past Ive noticed if the water bowl gets real low, I'll get a not too pleasant almost chemical type smell from the grease/drippings starting to burn. That's my water gauge...lol.
 
You have no idea how funny it looked from my vantage point at the Gilbert comp to see you guys lifting that center section by the handles and then tilting it as if it were a giant beer mug!

OK, seriously now, I really didn't smell much of anything that you guys were describing that day and I still think it had more to do with something that was inside that particular cooker than with the charcoal itself.

As you know, I've been using Kingsford (blue bag) for years as well and, short of the typical fumes that come from initial ignition in a chimney, I've never had a problem with it.

Is it possible that you got a bag or two that may have something funky going on? Sure, but that would be pretty unlikely. We are a Stoker team too so the method of burn we're experiencing is that same as yours so I would honestly just powerwash the "new to you" cooker and scrub down the inside of the dome and center sections, getting down to the porcelain if possible. That will eliminate just about any possibility that it is coming from the cooker itself.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vincent Carrocci:
You have no idea how funny it looked from my vantage point at the Gilbert comp to see you guys lifting that center section by the handles and then tilting it as if it were a giant beer mug!

OK, seriously now, I really didn't smell much of anything that you guys were describing that day and I still think it had more to do with something that was inside that particular cooker than with the charcoal itself.

As you know, I've been using Kingsford (blue bag) for years as well and, short of the typical fumes that come from initial ignition in a chimney, I've never had a problem with it.

Is it possible that you got a bag or two that may have something funky going on? Sure, but that would be pretty unlikely. We are a Stoker team too so the method of burn we're experiencing is that same as yours so I would honestly just powerwash the "new to you" cooker and scrub down the inside of the dome and center sections, getting down to the porcelain if possible. That will eliminate just about any possibility that it is coming from the cooker itself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, when I saw you laughing at us I thought, "all right wise guy, YOU come smell this". And no, we did not cook anything on it so we can not even blame our poor showing on that (real or imagined) odor.

I got the temps over 600 on my last burn out. If that did not clean out any nastiness, not much would. I am going to try a different fuel this week and see what I find. Then go back to Kingsford once more. I already scrubbed ot very well, but will do so agaon.
 

 

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