First Slab of Slow Cooked Ribs - Do They Look Right?


 

Mike C.

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I cooked them on my kettle last night. I was surprised to be able to get it to stay dead on 225 degrees and then I was able to raise it to 275 and hold it there. There were some times when the temp spiked probably from wood chunks flaring up. For the first few hours it was all over the place while I was trying to figure out how to control it. It was a good learning experience and I'm sure I'll get better as I go along. I know some mistakes I made this time around. Like I think I'll use less wood chunks next time.
 
How did they taste and how was the tenderness? They look very juicy and I like the meat color.
 
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I was wondering if that color was okay. Yes they definitely were juicy. I waited and waited to take them off until they passed the tear test. I'm not sure if this is normal but it took 8 hours. I even let the temp go up to 300 to get them finished. For the last 4 hours I kept the temps at 275 or more. I wrapped them in foil towards about the last two hours. They only pulled back about 1/4 inch off the bone. They were tender but I don't think they were what you'd call "fall off the bone" tender. The meat did pull away from the bone fairly easily.

As far as taste there were too things I noticed. One I think they got a little too much smoke. I used about 5 or 6 half-fist sized hickory chunks. They were right on the verge of being bitter. Not bad but definitely strong. Second these were walmart ribs in a solution and I didn't know before I rubbed them not to add even more salt. I didn't put much salt on them but had I known I might not have put any. So they were a tad on the salty side.

I'm sure I need to make some adjustments. I was using the BRITU recipe as a basis but there were some departures. Like I didn't have all the coals burning before I put the meat on. I just used the basic minion method. From time to time there was a fair amount of white smoke coming out. Not a whole lot but some. I put the rub on a good 24 hours in advance but I read while it was cooking that I could have (or should have?) put them right on the grill. I also didn't use the BRITU rub. I did add some honey to my BBQ sauce and that was quite tasty.
 
Here, for color comparison. (These backs were cooked at high heat, Minion start, allowed to climb to ~350 lid, 350-375 during the foiled stage; 2:20 start-to-finish).

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Cook time depends on cook temp. 8 hours seems long--unless your therm is off so check it to be sure. (It seems off to me. That or the spot where you measured was significantly hotter than the temps where the ribs actually cooked.)

The good thing, regardless, is that they were tender. Most problems people have with ribs is cooking them for too short a time, i.e., pulling them at some preconceived notion of when they should be done rather than waiting till they are done. Yours sound perfectly cooked to me ("The meat did pull away from the bone fairly easily.") My benchmark. Imo, fall-off-the-bone is overcooked--but many prefer this finish and it's certainly fine if you do.

It's all about figuring out preferences and that means cooking and making a few changes here and there and honing your style. It's fun to do.

Try 1/3 the amount of wood.

See if you can get plain, unpumped ribs. If not, dramatically lower the salt in the rub or skip it.

Try rubbing while your fuel is getting lit for a Minion start. See if that works for you. Works for me (I never rub ribs early) but some prefer the night before.

Of course you can also try different rubs, different sauces, finishing them without sauce ('dry' style) and serving sauce just on the side. You can try higher cook temps, different smokewoods and so on. Alter a couple things each cook and you'll work your way toward what you like best and have a good time--and good food--during the process.
 
Hmmm...those do look fairly similar. I would MUCH rather have been done in only 2 1/2 hours!

Thanks for the tips. I'm definitely going to try less wood and also I'd like to get something more mild like apple. Hickory by itself is pretty strong stuff.

quote: "...or the spot where you measured was significantly hotter than the temps where the ribs actualy cooked"

I've ruined/overcooked a good many slabs of meat in the past so I was being VERY protective this time around with this longer cook. What I did was put two fire bricks on the grate between the meat and the fire. Remember I'm using a kettle where the meat is petty close to the fire and just to one side. There were also the two fire bricks used as a divider for the pile of coals. So the heat was probably VERY indirect.

I did check my thermo before cooking with boiling water. I think it came in about +/- 2 or 3 degrees. So it's pretty close. It has about a 6 inch long probe on it and I felt I was reading the temps through the lid just above the meat. But toward about the last hour or two when it was going so long I went ahead and pulled the two fire bricks. Next time I'll go without them altogether. I think what I'll do is maybe put one there if I feel it's cooking too fast. I'm confident enough now with temp control that I don't that'll be necessary. At least I didn't overcook it this time around! So it did work to protect from too much heat. Maybe too well...

Is there an ideal time to cook ribs? Or a "target range"? I knew 8 hours seemed too long. But is 5 hours better than 3? Or are you going for something different with different times? I get the idea with brisket and butts the longer the better. But with ribs it seems to be a different story.

You mentioned pulling the meat when it's actually done. I think it was you who got that important point through to me in another thread where you determine meat is done by it's actual tenderness. Before that epiphany I was doing exactly what you said. If the directions said 2 hours or 6 hours that's when I planned to pull the meat. I would check the internal temp before I pulled it. But what was happening more often than not was that by the time I checked the meat temp it was already overdone. And it's because I was following that cooking time in the recipe. Now I see you start checking for doneness after a certain period if you have kept your cooking temp where it needs to be up to that point. The difference is night and day.

I can probably get non-enhanced ribs at sam's club but it's more convenient to get them at walmart. Would it ruin them or cause them to dry out if I left them soaking in water for a time to soak off that solution? Or is that solution there to stay no matter what?

All in all I think I'm on the right track after what you've said. And I have a whole new appreciation for my little kettle now. BIG thanks to David Lohrentz for directing me to that thread on long cooks with a kettle!
 
I do like hickory with ribs but tend to mix it 50-50 with a fruit wood. Wod probably totals 1.5-2 fist-sized chunks.

From both what you've just described and the details upthread, I'm guessing you were cooking 30 or so degrees cooler at the actual cook spot than at the therm.

Is there an ideal time to cook ribs? -- Well, for me the ideal time is the shortest time I can cook them and still have the precise results I'm looking for.

Or a "target range"? I knew 8 hours seemed too long. But is 5 hours better than 3? -- It might have been 'too long' a cook, but it wasn't too long to get desirable results based on the variables and dynamics of this particular cook. Had you pulled them an hour earlier they would not have been tender and you would likely have been disappointed.

5 hours is only 'better than 3', imo, if, due to the variables in that particulat cook, 5 hours is necessary for tender and pulling at 3 is way underdone. But if the question is whether changing the variables of a cook so that the ribs finish to tender in 3 hours is somehow not as good as a cook that takes 5 hours to get tender then, to me, the answer is no, 5 isn't better than 3.

Or are you going for something different with different times? --For me, timing is whatever is most convenient for me. Sometimes a 4- or 5-hour rib cook is more convenient than a 2-hour one so I'll go that route. Sometimes overnighting butts at lower temps is more convenient than cooking them higher/faster so I overnight them.

I get the idea with brisket and butts the longer the better. -- Not to me. In fact for brisket lower/slower is often worse. (I'm speaking of lower/slower than typical low/slow.) I do briskets in ~4 hours. I get the results I want so I don't see a need to go longer.

Butts are significantly thicker of course, so they certainly go longer than 4 hours. They also have a different structure than brisket--the muscle fiber structure is finer, they have more and larger internal fat deposits and more significant surface fat--so that has to be kept in mind. Since I prefer not to use foil on butts during cooking (foil: the great equalizer), my higher heat butts are not as high heat as where I cook briskets.

[Note that in all cases I am speaking of meats typically purchases at markets, not high grade beef nor pastured pork, both of which require different considerations.]

Now I see you start checking for doneness after a certain period if you have kept your cooking temp where it needs to be up to that point. -- Yes. Or perhaps if you realize that your cooktemps were higher for this cook than for prior cooks, deliberately or not, you'll also realize that you'll need to check sooner than you might otherwise.

I can probably get non-enhanced ribs at sam's club but it's more convenient to get them at walmart. -- Do so at least once (Sam's) and see how they compare to you. Remember that with pumped meats you are paying the per-pound meat price for what is essentially water. It's one of the ways Wal-Mart <STRIKE>rips you off</STRIKE> seeks profit.

Would it ruin them or cause them to dry out if I left them soaking in water for a time to soak off that solution? Or is that solution there to stay no matter what? -- If there is phosphates in the mix, or other water retention agents, soaking won't help. If not, you can and then see what you think. Soak a couple hours in cold water, changing it once, drain and dry very well. Note that any structural changes caused to the meat fibers by the solution will remain. (Try unpumped and see what you think. Convenience ain't everything.
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From your cook it is apparent you are on the right track. And yup, Lohrentz gots his kettle cooking down.
 
Quote: "do like hickory with ribs but tend to mix it 50-50 with a fruit wood."

I can see that now myself. You gotta mix hickory with something else for ribs. Is there a link by chance that mentions what mix of wood goes good with what meat?


Quote: "I'm guessing you were cooking 30 or so degrees cooler at the actual cook spot than at the therm. "

I think you're right. I noticed in another thread David said he uses a brick over the coals as a heat sink to stabilize the temps. I'm going to try that myself. I had two brick to the side of the fire and I think that was actually blocking the heat too much from reaching the meat and stretched out the cook dramatically.


Quote: "if the question is whether changing the variables of a cook so that the ribs finish to tender in 3 hours is somehow not as good as a cook that takes 5 hours to get tender then, to me, the answer is no, 5 isn't better than 3."

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But I...but you...Ok lemmesee...you cooked the ribs in your pic for 2.3 hours and got similar looking ribs to what I got in 8 hours (probably without the salty taste...) by using higher temps. And this was using a WSM? I know your handing me another great epiphany but I'm just not wrapping my brain around this one. If you can cook tender ribs in 2 hours why go low and slow for 5 hours? Or if you can get a brisket done in 4 hours why do people go for 14 hours? This confuses me something awful!


Quote: "if you realize that your cooktemps were higher for this cook than for prior cooks, deliberately or not, you'll also realize that you'll need to check sooner than you might otherwise."

I do see that now and it will make all the difference in the world in my success at slow cooking.


Quote: "Convenience ain't everything."

Agreed and I don't EVER like paying for salt water at the same price I pay for my meat!
 
I just finished cooking my first ribs... I used the BRITU (best ribs in the universe) instructions/ recipe... My wife and I consumed one rack and it was OUTSTANDING! My first attempt at ribs was an overwhelming success.. Thanks to the originator of this recipe and thanks to Chris for posting it... I will surely use this recipe again... Be sure to use the rub sparingly, it could easily become too salty, if used too freely...
 
Bravo Sid. Nothing quite beats success on the first try!

Mike-- I keep spacing...: What town in west Texas?

Wood: No, not really. It's so much a subjective thing. Some don't like hickory for anything ever. Some like it mixed for some things, straight for others. Most people like most fruit woods and you will rarely go wrong there. Best to get other's impressions for ideas and then just try it out yourself.

2 vs. 5; 4 vs. 14: Why indeed.

Several reasons: The myth that these meats must be cooked slow is pervasive. (Many careers and industries are virtually built on it.) That many like the perceived cachet (the mythical aura, if you will) of low/slow barbecue. That many simply like the low/slow process better. That some have become skilled in both approaches and prefer the results of low/slow. A mix of these. Or others.

Elements of all of these have an appeal to me. There is something to be said for the smell of barbecue in morning so low/slowing butts can get me there. It is good to have low/slow approach knowledge because sometimes you might need it. Hotter/faster requires knowledge too, a certain understanding of the dynamics involved, and I do think that many, especially those new to cooking meats, will have an easier time learning cooking dynamics (developing and maintaining heat; moisture, rendering, etc.; the stages meat goes through from raw to tender; et al.) if they get comfortable with low/slow first, in most cases.
 
Getting a bit off topic, but $0.02 from a rookie on why some might like an overnight method even if you can get the same results in a few hours:

For me, I like doing a brisket or butt overnight because I feel like it lets me relax more the next day when people are coming over. When I do a BBQ I like to have friends over all day (particularly a Saturday or Sunday during football season
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Kevin, I assumed he means "West" Texas; about 20 miles north of Waco on I-35. You know, the town with the turkey and kolache shops?
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Hey Mike, where do you live?
 
No need to add much here since everything has been covered. My first impression when I saw the picture was to ask if they tasted salty or "hammy". It looked to me as though they were almost "cured" looking due to salting or something. You seem to have answered that when you mentioned that they were prepped in solution and then you also added salt.

If you liked them that way, there's no issue. Sometimes I like them that way. But overall I would follow the recommendation to never by ribs that are pumped with anything, just make sure they are fresh or "natural" and not loaded with anything during the packing process.
 
I do know West. I was assuming, sans comma, that he is somewhere in western Texas... Mike?

Yes, solutions can sometimes have a hand in imparting pink or red color. I get mine naturally--the smokering--sometimes all the way through, sometimes not. You can see in the pic upthread that the color didn't quite go all the way acroos on those.
 
Quote: "Mike where do you live?"


NOT in the town of West. I didn't even know there was such a place. Not surprising though. Texas is so big you'd think they ran out of names for the last dozen or so towns.
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No I live in Lubbock which is part of what is considered "West Texas" as opposed to "East Texas" or "South Texas".

Here's a snippet from Wikipedia:

West Texas is a region in Texas that has more in common geographically with the Southwestern United States than it does with the rest of the state. The area is known for its natural beauty and has many small mountain ranges and canyons. This part of Texas is in the Northern Chihuahua Desert, and the high mountain areas have a climate that many find pleasant: cold nights but warm afternoons in winter, hot days but cool nights in the summer. (my added note: you get a nice stiff breeze more often than not.)

Major cities: Abilene, El Paso, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, San Angelo.

Smaller cities: Big Spring, Fort Stockton, Hale Center, Lamesa, Levelland, Littlefield, Plainview, Seminole, Snyder, Sweetwater

Climate: West Texas receives much less rainfall than the rest of Texas and has an arid or semi-arid climate, requiring most of its scant agriculture to be heavily dependent on irrigation.

Industry: Major industries include livestock, petroleum and natural gas production, textiles such as cotton, grain farming and because of its proximity to the Mexican border, the maquiladora industry. West Texas is now becoming known for is numerous wind turbine generators producing pollution free electricity.

End geography lesson.
 
Ahh, Lubbock. Though I get through west Tex a couple dozen times a year I probably only go through Lubbock once or twice. You're cookin' the next time I'm through...
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Ahh, Lubbock. Though I get through west Tex a couple dozen times a year I probably only go through Lubbock once or twice. You're cookin' the next time I'm through...
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HOW can you pass through West TX and NOT pass through Lubbock. They don't call us the "Hub City" fer nothin! Seriously there isn't a good connection to Lubbock from I-10 but from what I understand that's gonna change in the near future. I'll probably think about moving then...

OK I'm cooking. Just hope you have about 12 hours to spare...
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Hey about shorter/higher cooking I have to admit my last 2 batches of ribs were somewhat better. They were placed over two piles of coals on each side ala Steve Raichlen instructions. They were ready in just over 2 hours. Same rub. I simply judged by the amount the meat had pulled back and the color. They were tender and maybe not quite as juicy. But they weren't salty tasting like this last batch. They were good but didn't have the smoke flavor because I didn't use hickory chunks. I cooked them over B&B oak lump.

Is there a limit to the high temps you want to use? Like no higher than 300 degrees? Or do you want to keep it low for a few hours and then ramp it up the last half?

I gotta tell you if I can get meats done in the 3 to 4 hour range and achieve the same results as you can in 14 to 16 that's a no brainer for me.
 
I'm usually on 20 heading to L.A. or the reverse. I always stop for a latte at the Starbucks in Midland (of all places) and for green chile-chicken burritos at a gas station in Ft Stockton.

Judge by a probe. I think it is more accurate. Foiling can knock off the 'not as juicy' thing but I don't always foil ribs. These weren't foiled, e.g. These, foiled.

The thing about high heat cooking is that the 'done window' is much narrower, narrower still without foil. There is indeed a limit for high heat. Sugar burns at >350 so that is a consideration but also important is thickness/mass of the item being cooked. Temps of >mid-300s can can overcook the surface and sub-surface areas before the heat penetrates to the interior. You can go higher but protection (foil) is needed much sooner then, not something I want to do. Low-to-mid-300s works well for me during the unfoiled stage; 335-375 once foiled, depending on the meat.

This thread on high heat brisket is worthy of perusal. Lots of info there. This one descibes a particular cook of mine a while back.

The other thing that occurs to me: you are cooking on a kettle. You have to set up carefully to cook Q at higher temps in a kettle because of the proximity of fuel to meat, not a problem in a WSM. Sometimes edge protection is necessary (via strategically placed foil strips) so that the edges/sides of items that are closest to the heat have some protection. Also, depending on fuel placement, meat rotation can be required.

Some of the most tender brisket in Texas is done at high heat, btw. Unfortunately, the rubs are lacking so the meat is bland but tender and juicy it is.
 
Luckenbach is about 3/4 of the way between Johnson City and Fredericksburg, NNW of San Antonio, below US 290.
 

 

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