Effect of Oil in Marinades....Include oil or not?


 

Rita Y

TVWBB Emerald Member
I see recipes (Roadside Chicken) where it is suggested NOT to use oil in the marinade (but to add oil to the baste.

And yet we know that oil does carry oil-soluble flavors.

So, why NOT include oil in marinades? Because it impedes salt penetration or penetration of the marinade itself?

What am I missing here? Whether or not the ingredient list includes items that are oil-soluble or not?

Rita
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rita Y:
So, why NOT include oil in marinades? Because it impedes salt penetration? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rita, I have no proof and this is JMO, but I have found out over the years, that I got better flavor with leaving the oil out for the marinade part. I feel it's neccesary for the basting part for flavors to cling to, but blocks the marindae from penetrating the meat for the marinade part. No I have no proof, just what I believe.
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My absolute favorite marinade to use is a mojo and there is a fair bit of oil in that. I always get a lot of flavor out of it. I suppose I could do it without the oil but I think the acidity levels would be out of whack?

On the other hand there are many marinades that I use that do not use oil and give great flzvor as well.

Guess I'm kind of neutral on this but definately interested in what everyone else has to say.

Clark
 
I am new to the "no oil" marinade.

I have to agree with Bryan that the flavor seems more bold.

Maybe it's my imagination.....but I am doing another set of flank steak strips tonight.

I'll repost the results!!
 
Two online 'experts' said oil was present to add moisture to the meat...I assume just like the the waterbath does in a wsm!
Another said to 'preserve' the meat. Where is Kevin when you need him?
 
Add moisture to the meat? Preserve meat? On what planet?

Joy is right that some have them and some not but, no, not helpful as to why either. (I daresay many cooks don't think about the 'why' here.)

Oil is used (or should be, imo) for three reasons: to lubricate the surface of the item being marinated, to add or carry flavor (it adds its own, if not a neutral oil; it carries fat soluble flavors that are in the marinade), and to soften acidity. All of these things can be done in other ways, sans oil, and none are necessarily required.

Oil usually does not impede salt penetration but can impede flavor penetration depending on the quantity used and whether the marinade is emulsified. For non-emulsified marinaded with significant oil, the item being marinated can end up sitting in a lot of oil while the rest of the ingredients float elsewhere--not a good thing. Because oil in quantity will soften acidity it can seem to knock the top off bright, acidic flavors. This can be fine if the marinade is quite acidic and bright, not necessarily so fine if it isn't, so consider this when deveoping (or tweaking) marinades.

Many marinades I make do not need to include oil but I usually stick a little in--or another fat--so as to carry fat soluble flavors better. (This isn't always necessary--it depends on how much fat the item being marinated has on or near its surface.)

The key ingredient to flavor penetration is salt--and some time. Penetration of water soluble ingredients is fastest, as one would suspect, and is made more efficient (and faster still) by the use of adequate salt. CI does 'fast' marinades by adding soy sauce as a main ingredient because of its salt content. This isn't really my thing, unless I am doing an Asian-style marinade, because I am not one that often mixes food metaphors, i.e., I won't use soy sauce in an otherwise Mexican-style marinade, say, or one with balsamic and garden herbs, and so forth. But it isn't necessary, just the salt is. When using chimichurri as a marinade, e.g., I will often skip most of the oil (all but maybe a teaspoon) and replace it instead with water. Then I add a decent amount of salt, purée, and marinate. I rub the marinade off for cooking, oil the meat a little for lubrication, and cook. The chimi that is served alongside is made in the standard way, with the oil. In a way, this is similar to Bry's approach with RSC. The bright flavors are transferred into the chicken during marinating. The oiled baste is softened, but because it is used as a baste doesn't negate the brighter notes that have moved into the chicken, provided the chicken was marinated for sufficient time in the first place. ('Sufficient time' is usually less in oil-free or low-oil marinades.)

Oil, especially in emulsified marinades, does seem to slow overall penetration. Use this to your advantage if needing to marinate over some time.

A good replacement for oil when you wish something in there for the fat soluble flavors is dairy fat, especially yogurt or buttermilk. Either can be used with--or take the place of (importantly)--acids being used to 'tenderize'.
 
Kevin, you wrote; <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The key ingredient to flavor penetration is salt </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is my understanding that salt does not dissolve in oil; is that correct? Also, when making a marinade, it would be good to know which flavors are water soluble versus fat soluble. What are some of the most common fat soluble flavors or can you direct me to a good source to find out? A search online hasn't yielded any results. Chemistry is obviously involved and in the back of my mind, I seem to recall that fat soluble flavors must be able to be smelled to be tasted or maybe I'm confusing that with something else.

Paul
 
Good point: You are correct. Salt does not dissolve in oil. If making a marinade with oil it is important to dissolve the salt into whatever water-based ingredients you are using first, then add the oil. If you don't, whatever salt that gets mixed into the oil portion will just be suspended in it. It will not disslove.

I do not know of a reference for water/fat soluble flavor volatiles. What I know I know mostly from experience. Many items contain both water soluble and fat soluble voatiles (garlic is a good example). In some cases (garlic again) the volatiles are such that you can go either way, but in many cases a little fat is a good idea, especially if you are unsure. Fat, e.g., is required for capsaicin solubility (capsaicin is the heat of chiles) but is required as well for spices that rely mostly on their esstential oils for flavor(s).

Spices with fat soluble essential oils:

Allspice
Anise
Celery Seed
Cumin
Nutmeg
Cinnamon
Cassia
Sassafras
Ginger
Basil
Bay Leaf
Sage
Lemongrass
Oregano
Peppermint
Rosemary
Thyme
Clove
Lavender
Marjoram
Mint
Black, white and green pepper
Caraway
Cardamom
Coriander

Some of these spices have enough water soluble volatiles (the mints are good examples) that one can get away with no fat. Some (like rosemary, ginger and basil) will give up some flavors to water but are a bit muted). Others really need at least a little fat for their flavors to release well.

One easy trick that works very well when making marinades with fat soluble falvors is to heat the oil first. Oil heated to 180-220F with the spices in question for just a few minutes makes a big difference in flavor release. You don't need much at all (if you are seeking to make an essentially no-oil marinade). Alternatively, if you really want no oil at al in the marinade, some dairy fat, as noted above, is a good way to go. Unheated, the flavors will not release as quickly as they will with heated oil but they will release better than with no fat at all. (You can heat dairy though. Just keep it at less than boiling and go a little longer.)
 

 

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