double brisket


 

Stan Wortly

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I am planning to do a brisket this weekend, and I need a little advice.

I initially was hoping to go with a 10 lb. piece of meat, but the butcher said that the biggest ones that he has are 6lb.. So I was considering going with 2 - 5lb. briskets instead.

How would this affect the cooking time? Should I aim to cook it for the total time to cook 10lb of meat, or should I go with slightly longer than the time required for 5 lb. of meat?

Also, I was planning on throwing a couple of racks of back ribs on there later in the day. Should I put the ribs on the top of the WSM, or on the bottom rack.

Thanks folks!
 
If it were me, I would put both both briskets on the bottom rack an put butts or ribs or some other pork on the top rack. As for the cook time, I would probably allow for that of a 10 pounder and then you might get lucky and have it finished an hour or two early, since they are individual cuts and may cook a little quicker. Keep us posted.
 
I would definitely place the briskets on the bottom rack and use the top for the ribs. As far as cooking the briskets though, I personally would treat them as the 5 pounder’s they are and not double up the cooking time. Anyone else want to weigh in on this? Good luck and post a report on how your cook went.
 
Stan,
You should plan your brisket cook as a 5lb brisket, not as a 10lb whole brisket. When calculating time 1hr - 1.5hr per pound also a 2 hr rest period before slicing/serving.
 
The cook time won't be much different for 2- 5 lbers vs. a 10 lb'er.

The rendering process is mostly dictated by temp, rather than weight. Having a lot of mass in the cooker may add some time to a cook as temps rise, but not in this case IMO.

Cook the briskets on the bottom shelf as advised, but keep an eye out for the edge of the grate as you may want to provide a foil heat deflector along the sides if necessary.

Cook them until fork tender rather than using a time frame.

Good luck.
 
Or here for brisket. One does not add the weights together. However, it should be noted that small cuts can take relatively longer (if cooking low/slow) because of the time needed for rendering.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but keep an eye out for the edge of the grate as you may want to provide a foil heat deflector along the sides... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, and I'd recommend foiling the flats at ~160-165. Meanwhile, you might see if you can locate whole briskets somewhere or at least sizeable untrimmed flats.
 
Kevin I'm glad you bring up the point regarding time needed for rendering. I notice when I cook a 7lb flat vs a 14/15lb packer they take relatively the same amount of time. Can you elaborate on "doneness". Text book states 190 deg or 195 and the brisket is done. My "doneness" is when your fork goes in like butter, then I take the brisket out. What's position?
 
Thanks folks,
We are expecting a Nor'easter this Saturday (Nova Scotian for "snow storm from the States"). I think that I am going to have to do the midnight smoke that I had initially intended.

I'm going to allow for 15 hr. cooking time until doneness, taking into consideration time lost when I add the ribs. Super helpful, thanks again for the input.

Any further discussion or suggestions are welcome.
Cheers,
SW
 
My take, Frank: Brisket is done when it just reaches tender, not a particular temp. Rendering begins in the 140s but it takes some time. Thickness of the brisket and amount of internal fat deposits (marbling) largely determine how long it will take coupled, of course, with cook temp.

One can certainly take a low/slow brisket to a particular temp then wrap and rest it. If the brisket is not tender when it reaches that temp, continued residual heat cooking during an extended rest can take it to tender. Many people cook briskets this way. Those that are consistently successful usually try to replicate all aspects of the cook each time, i.e., they cook using the same methods, using similarly sized and marbled meat of similar weight, etc. With practice and experience, one can judge then alter, if necessary, key aspects of the cook depending on the change in variables (meat grade, size) at play. Some briskets might be better pulled at a lower temp, e.g., some higher (this often depends on grade).

It is also possible to take a brisket to tender before wrapping and resting occur. With brisket this can be trickier because the line between excessive moisture loss and 'done' can be crossed pretty easily. Brisket's relatively thin nature (as opposed to, say, a hunk of chuck--but the same if the chuck is cut to the same thickness) and open grain structure can allow for significant moisture/rendering loss before the brisket hits tender, depending on the cut in question. Getting a handle on this and determining a target temp to pull the brisket before this occurs (and often before complete tenderness is realized), is what many do as well, again, allowing the rest to finalize tenderness.

Were a specific temp number indicative of tender, this board and others would be filled with numerous cooks extolling the ease of cooking the perfect brisket. Instead we find more people having the most problems with brisket than any other Q meat. In 'normal' low/slow brisket cooks, variations in grade, thickness, trim level (pre- and post-purchase), cooktemp, etc., can all have an effect on the success of the cook. Imo, targeting a specific temp--only--as the determination of 'done', does little to help equalize the variables.

Foil does this nicely. Foiling a brisket during cooking (in the upper 160s for a nicely marbled flat or packer, low 160s for a small, thin or overtrimmed flat) can help to significantly smooth out the potential rough spots that variations in the variables noted above can cause. It can make a target finish temp more meaningful (read: more successful) as key problems are mitigated by its use. Still, foil or not, I think a target temp is best used to determine when to first check on the brisket and get a feel for it--get a feel for where it is in terms of done. Doing so, especially if one does so consistently, can go a long way toward helping a cook achieve consistent results because one remembers--physically--what a good brisket felt like when one pulled it off, and then it becomes easier to shoot for the same feeling again. (We're pretty tactile creatures if we allow ourselves to be.)

I cook briskets at high heat (300+) pretty much as a rule now. I buy no-roll (i.e., ungraded) briskets of varying weights, thicknesses, trim, etc. Foiling a bit more than halfway through the cook (I go by time, others by internal temp) has the same affect as foiling during a low/slow cook--it mitigates problems and ameliorates outcomes--but I suggest dispensing with a therm entirely post-foiling for anything other than using it to feel the meat. At high temps in the moist environment the foil creates, internals can spike rather quickly into the 190s or low 200s but the meat won't be tender. Time is necessary for rendering to occur--though this is much quicker at high temps and, due to the foil, with significantly less moisture loss.

At Chris points out in his piece on brisket selection (see the Cooking tab), brisket can feel fork tender after it veers well toward overdone. Rightly so. But this, to me, is more of an argument for using a target internal as a point where one first checks for tender by feel rather than an argument in favor of using a specific temp to mean 'done'. One then catches tender on its way up, so to speak, rather than after the fact, or rather than going strictly by temp and perhaps pulling too soon.
 
Wow Kevin.
Do you have a book yet?
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Just so I am clear, you don't think that I should add the weignt of the two briskets together? Maybe aim for a 7-9 hr. cooking time?
SW
 
It's not really the weight in this case, as Craig notes, it's time. But we tend to refer to whatever we're cooking by its weight. Were you to have an 10-lb packer to cook--and then decide to do another at the same time--the time to cook would be little changed.

It's more that a 5-lb flat probably isn't going to take just half the time of a 10-lb packer. Cook time is going to be skewed longer because of the time needed to render. Adding another same size flat to the cooker doesn't change this. Two will take about the same time as a single one, but this will be longer (in terms of, say, time/lb) relative to weight than what you would find if cooking a 10-, 12- or 14-lb cut.

Though I'd likely plan 7-9 hours were I cooking at low/slow temps without further intervention, I'd foil in the 160s (which will shorten the cook time), possibly bumping up the cooktemp after foiling (which will shorten the time further), and start checking for tenderness in the mid-upper 180s.
 
Thanks Kevin for sharing your knowledge. I've read previous threads regarding your high temp brisket cooks. I'm eager to try it out.
 
Hi there folks,
Just a post-mortem on the brisket. It turned out that I went to the butcher and he had managed to find beautifully trimmed, 9lb brisket for me, so I went with that.

I started at 12:30 a.m., and did exactly as Kevin had suggested - foil in the 160s, check for tenderness in the late 180s, and took it off at 192 @ approximately 4:00 p.m.. It was wrapped in a towel in a cooler for about 3 hours before serving. Turned out to be fantastic, perfectly done in all regards.

SW
Thanks for the help.
 

 

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