Chicken/Chuck Roast


 

John Furdyn

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Could I High temp, (no water pan), cook chicken lg. qtrs., and a chuck Roast, at the same time. I have added a second cooking grate (nuts, bolts, washers), to the top cooking grate. I have cooked about 8 pounds of chicken thighs like this with pretty good results. So i'm wondering if Chicken lg. qtrs. on the bottom grate, with the chuck roast on the top would work. Any info appreciated. Thanks John
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tony C.:
chuck roast really needs to be done slow and low to be tender. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with Tony. Chucks should be cooked like a butt pretty much, except foil the chuck at 160-165*, then test the meat with a fork in the 195* range. Continue the fork test every 5 degrees until you can insert the fork and twist the meat easily.
 
I respectfully disagree. You can certainly milk the time with chuck if you wish, but low/slow is not required. If you are going to foil anyway, you can foil with liquid(s) plus aromatics, vegs, and/or fruit(s) and finish the chuck as a braise.

I smoke chucks, rubbed, at ~325 for 120-150 minutes. (I do not temp them at all.) At that point I place in a pot with whatever items I've got on the agenda, cover, and finish in the cooker, pulling when the meat is just tender. (I used to do the same but fashioned a pan out of HD foil, crimping it tightly closed but leaving ample headspace. Since I now have a large Lodge dutch oven that fits perfectly in the WSM I use that.) Then I remove the meat to foil to rest, wrapped. I strain out the solids and reserve them, de-fat the liquid, then puree 1/4-1/3 of the solids with the liquid to act as the base for the sauce. The rest of the solids I stir in then just keep it warm till the beef is rested. The beef then gets placed back in the sauce.

This post describes a chuck cook done in foil. (Scroll to below the tri-tip cook description.) That one was somewhat rushed.

This past Saturday, I did two 3.6-pound chuck roasts as I described above. In this case, I rubbed them with a mix of white pepper, ginger, nutmeg, clove, allspice, sumac, and thyme, then let them smoke (hickory and apple) at ~325 for a couple hours.

Meanwhile, I reduced a cup-and-a-half of cheap white wine with a half-cuup of dry sherry till it was reduced by half, then added 2 T of pomegranate molasses and 1 c chicken stock. I thinly sliced 8 onions and a half-pound of dried mangos. I peeled a dozen cloves of garlic and mixed together two different freeze-dried fruits from packages I had gotten at Trader Joe's--a tropical fruit called rambutan, another called mangosteen.

I put half of all the solids in the Lodge pot then topped them with the smoked chuck covering the chuck with the the remaining solids and pouring the wine-stock mixture over all. I covered the pot and returned it to the cooker and let it cook at ~350 till done, maybe 2.5 hours later.

I didn't get any finished plate pics but here are a few taken during the flow. The chuck was served with yuca con mojo, black beans, fried ripe plantains, and a buttermilk slaw of cabbage, carrot and red bell pepper.

The chucks, rubbed, pre-smooking:




The smoked chuck awaiting the pot. On the cutting board are some of the sliced onions, peeled garlic, and half the dried mango. Ditto for the pot. Also in the pot are the freeze-dried rambutan and mangosteen pieces. More of those two, plus the items on the board and the liquid mix went atop the chuck roasts when they were added.




The pot, loaded up and ready for its cover, then to be put back in the WSM:




The de-fatted liquid still in the pot, pureed with some of the solids, and some solids awaiting their return to the pot. Braised vegs and fruits throw off a lot of moisture, as does the beef; dried fruits absorb it. All shrink considerably so a full pot reduces nicely.




Unfortunately I have no plate pics. I served buffet style. I cut the chucks into large chucks in the sauce. Most put the beef and its sauce on the yuca, some preferred to put the beans there. Either way, the meal as delicious.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by K Kruger:
I respectfully disagree. You can certainly milk the time with chuck if you wish, but low/slow is not required. If you are going to foil anyway, you can foil with liquid(s) plus aromatics, vegs, and/or fruit(s) and finish the chuck as a braise.

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Kevin,
I said the chuck roasts "should" be cooked in my method described above, assuming the individual wanted to make "BBQ" out of the chuck. I never said it was "required" as you've stated I did.... Your method is simply making a half smoked pot roast in my opinion, not BBQ. Sure my method includes foiling which is a method of brasiing in it's own juices, but you're adding wine and other liquids thus making it into a braised pot roast, not BBQ.

In either case, if you want to make pot roast your method sounds great. If you want to make BBQ, below are pic's of using my method as described above.

 
Dunno. 'Should' implies 'required' to me. No matter. You could do chuck roasts low/slow--or you could do them at higher temps. Small, 3- or 4-pound roasts don't require low/slow cooking like large chuck rolls (whole or halved or thirded) or shoulder clods (ditto). The big boys need the low/slow approach or the exterior portions end up overdone before the inside has a chance to cook.

Foiling does create a braising scenario as you note and, as you say, results in a different product--BBQ beef--if liquids or other items aren't added to the foil. My point is that chuck roasts--the smaller ones--can be cooked at higher temps along with chicken. (Larger ones definitely benefit from low/slow.) Foiling will help even out the cooking. Whether or not anything is added to the foil is up to the cook.

(Your pulled beef looks terrific, btw.)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by K Kruger:
Dunno. 'Should' implies 'required' to me. No matter. You could do chuck roasts low/slow--or you could do them at higher temps. Small, 3- or 4-pound roasts don't require low/slow cooking like large chuck rolls (whole or halved or thirded) or shoulder clods (ditto). The big boys need the low/slow approach or the exterior portions end up overdone before the inside has a chance to cook.

Foiling does create a braising scenario as you note and, as you say, results in a different product--BBQ beef--if liquids or other items aren't added to the foil. My point is that chuck roasts--the smaller ones--can be cooked at higher temps along with chicken. (Larger ones definitely benefit from low/slow.) Foiling will help even out the cooking. Whether or not anything is added to the foil is up to the cook.

(Your pulled beef looks terrific, btw.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well again, I was referring to making BBQ, not pot roast.
 
I admire Kevin's culinary skills greatly, but I agree with Larry on this one...when it comes to "real" BBQ... It's meat, heat, smoke, spices...and then it's dinner time.
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everyone has their own way of doing things. John Furdyn asked for opinions/info about something and he got just that. now he can take the differing opinions and see what will work best in his current situation. that is what i love about these forums and others like them. no one is wrong or right, it is just their way and that's all.
 
Thanks for all your replys, I appreciate the inputs from everyone. Looks like I have differnt ways to cook my chuck roast. I bought 2 today on sale at local giant store. I have to tell ya I'm always amazed at the knowledge available on this site. You people really know what your talking about, very informitive. Thanks Again John
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's meat, heat, smoke, spices...and then it's dinner time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed.

My point is--again--that 'real' barbecued pulled beef need not be low/slow cooked; small roasts can be cooked at higher temps (with the foil stage, nothing else in the foil if not desired), and was only mentioning this to answer the question in the OP. I would, however, smoke the beef, foil it, then move it to the lower rack. The chicken (at high temps) will not take nearly as long as the beef and can go on at--or some time after--the beef is returned to the cooker.
 
Good idea Kevin. I'l keep that in mind. Last night I cooked 9 lbs. of chicken lq. qtrs. We ate some, keep some for leftovers, and froze some of the meat. Next will be my chuck roasts. I don't know for sure if, it's the finished product, or the process I'm enjoying more. I guess really both. As I learn new things it seams from this web site, almost daily. Weather I post something, or just reading other posts. Thanks John
 

 

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