S J. Gold Mini WSM Smoker


 
Status
Not open for further replies.
I've tried something I have not read about here and am using a cast iron pan with the handle cut off rather than the terra cotta saucer. Just did a pork butt and it worked great, charcoal lasted over 11 hours.
 
What temps did you get with the cast iron. I think the starter of this thread uses a cast iron pan with the handle cut off...

If you can get 350 degree temps with it that may be the way to go...
 
Since I was doing low and slow for the pulled pork, I kept the temps between 225 - 250. This control was what I was looking for, I don't know if I could reach 350 nor would I want to in a smoker IMHO.
 
The higher temp is just for the odd chicken, etc... If its just pure smoking then yah, no need to go higher.
 
I created my charcoal basket using screens for gutters- it is stainless steel and comes in a 3' length and about 8 inches high. I cut about 2 inch off, bent into a circle and fastened together with a few screws. Price was under $4 from home depot. Pics to come
 
Another tweek i made was I drilled out the rivets on the handles and replaced with bolts. On the inside i attached 1 inch L brackets to the bolts, thus creating brackets that hold a grate, therefor i did not have to drill additional holes in the pot. To secure the lower grate, I took 4 - 1/4 by 12 inch threaded rods, secured to the bottom and then can adjust the height of the grates with nut at the top. Has anyone done something similar? I will try and post pics soon.
 
Several weeks ago, I ran across this thread on another forum: MDBoatBum's mini-WSM. That was the first time I had ever seen the idea, or heard of, a mini-WSM. In reading the OP I followed links in it. I discovered TVWBB, joined, and read all 48 pages of posts about building a mini-WS. My life was changed forever.

I was intrigued for 2 reasons:
• I could build it inexpensively ($20 for a tamale steamer; I already had the grill);
• I would be able to use the Smokey Joe Silver (SJS) as a grill after making the mini-WSM - I wouldn't be sacrificing it.

Well, I've spent more than $20, but not a lot more. Any smoker of the size and quality of the mini-WSM would have cost hundreds of dollars. I bought 3 new cooking grates for the SJS and a few odds and ends at Academy and bought screws and stuff from Lowes . . . less than $100 for sure. If I had to purchase a new SJS or SJG at retail, the total would easily be less than $150.

Since completing the build, I've burned in the Smoker Joe and done a first meat smoke on it. Here I jump to pics of the first smoke results (‘cause the rest is kinda long-winded):

Ribs

ABTs


Going back to the beginning, I went to Wal*Mart to see if they had the IMUSA 32-Qt. Tamale Steamer, made in China, that everyone said was the right size. As someone recommended, I took the top to my SJS in the back of my truck and took the newly purchased pot out to check the size before leaving the parking lot. I HATE returning things - especially at wally world! It fit perfectly.



I tripled check when I got home to be sure the top and bottom of both the SJS and the IMUSA pot fit. They did; so the next issue was cutting out the bottom. I decided that I would cut a large single hole in the bottom leaving a ring about 1-2” around the edge.

These shots show the cut-out line ~ 1.75" from side and my first attempts to cut it out with a Dremel. My advice is to forget the Dremel. It lacks sufficient power and made ragged cuts. The last shot shows that I used my jigsaw and got far better results.





Next, I had to decide where I wanted racks. Again, after reading the many posts on the Weber site, I decided that I wanted a maximum of 4 cooking surfaces, but I wanted enough height from one of them to do a chicken and boston butts. After measuring the depth of the top dome and the distance to the indentation on the steamer pot, I decided that I first had to determine the height of my diffuser. I bought a 12" terra cotta flower pot saucer and decided that it must be no higher than the indentation ring. This would allow my lowest rack to rest there. I chose 4.5" for the distance from the pot rim to my second rack then divided the distance between in and the top of the diffuser for the third rack. The first rack rests on screws in holes just below the curled rim of the pot. This gives me a top rack even with the top of the smoke chamber, another 4.5" lower, another at 7.375", and the last at 11".

What size screws to use to position the racks? I wanted to be able to place multiple racks without having to remove screw; so I thought small. I wound up using .75" #32 SS machine screws and nuts. I had thought that I might have to grind them down, but it turned out that they are the perfect length. My grills will slide past one when tilted and drop enough to rest on the next set of screws. I put 3 screws at equal distances around the pot which turned out to be the 14.5" that the threads I read said it would be. I marked a piece of string at 14.5" intervals, wrapped it around the pot and used the marks to put a mark at each point on the pot. I used a ruler marked for the depths I wanted the screws to be, squared the end up with the rim, and marked places for holes at each depth. I repeated this for each of the three marks I had made in the pot's circumference. I drilled the holes with a bit fitted to the screw (sorry, I didn't make note of the bit size and I've slept more than twice since then). I didn't bother to knock down the burr left by the bit cutting through the inner wall. The nuts tightened up and flattened the burr. The aluminum is soft.

I decided to follow the advice to make an ash diverter to cover the bottom air holes. First, I measured the general diameter that would be needed.

A 28 oz. tomato can turned out to be the perfect size. I sometimes save them to keep extra parts in in the shop; so I had several on hand. Next I needed to figure out how much to cut off the can. A quick check with the tape measure and I transferred the cut line to the can. I used the jigsaw to cut it down but left it about a quarter-inch taller than needed. I snipped some tab to the right depth and bent them over giving me a tin can without a sharp edge to test my tetanus shots. I think the 2" depth is perfect. Then I used a beer can opener (remember "church keys") to cut 5 air vents around what had been the bottom of the can, now the top of the ash diverter. Put in place with the charcoal grate in place and all is perfect. Diverter is max height and grate is stable. I didn't get any pics of the can cutting process or its placement, but I'm sure you get the idea.

While I was about it, I decided that I really, really liked the idea of putting a handle on the top and bottom air vents. I bent up the tabs on both sides of the bottom vent and used and awl to prick a starting point for a .25" drill bit. There is but one tab on the top vent and it was already bent at 90 degrees.
I used some long carriage bolts for now, but will eventually dress the handles up using quarter-inch and knobs. Even if you don't build this smoker, MAKE THE HANDLES FOR THE AIR VENTS! Why wasn't I smart enough to think of that YEARS ago!




I bought a 13.5" circular grill from Academy Sporting Goods (Texas-based chain) and dropped it in the bottom of the pot spanning the hole cut in the bottom. Then I placed the 12.5" terra cotta flower pot saucer, foiled, on the rack and was ready for a dry run, burn-in; but my new Maverick ET-73 was due to arrive the following day; so I put it off waiting to see what sort of temps I'd reach.


Here you can see my old grilling table set-up.



When the Maverick arrived - and after I'd RTFM'd - I loaded 24 Kingsford briquettes in a circle around the charcoal grate. At this point I didn't have basket shaped out of EM. I lit 7 briquettes till they glowed and formed an ash, them dumped them in the middle of the 24. I wanted to see how the quasi-Minion would work, how much heat I'd get, and how long they would burn.


I left the vents wide open and watched the temps rise quickly from the 93* ambient straight up to 245* in about 20 minutes. It stopped at 245* and held that for an hour before I intervened. I assumed that the temp had peaked, that it was as low as it was because I had relatively few coals and because the terra cotta was really absorbing a lot of heat. At this point, I started closing bottom and top vents until I could see temps drop to see if I could force it back to 200* and hold it. I ain't that good - YET! I kept temps above 200* for about 4 hours then started to cool but not as rapidly as I would have thought. I had the vents about 75% closed after the first hour and half. More coals, a charcoal basket and better attention paid, I will be able to get better control of the temps.




Here's a shot of the cold coals the next day. Notice that about a fourth of the coals did not burn, and that the ashes stacked up around the can protecting the air vents without any of the keyed holes being covered. I think you can see this in the second pic.


With this experience behind me, I cobbled together a charcoal basket out of EM AND I took out the 12" terra cotta diffuser and put in a 9" pie pan before I did my first real smoke. (Ribs at start of post). My plan was to do a 3-2-1 on the St. Louis cut ribs, but the temp quickly jumped over 300* before I put the ribs in. I removed the lid to cool it and closed the vents. When the Maverick read 225*, I put the ribs on. I used Jeff's rub and his sauce, substituting local honey for the molasses in his sauce recipe. (If you haven't already, buy these recipes! They are a great deal, Jeff know his stuff, and the little he makes off them helps keep SMF going.)

The temps stayed ahead of me for the whole smoke; so I only got about 2.5 hours, then 45 minutes then 30 minutes . . . just under a 4 hour smoke. I don't remember how much the rack weighed. I DID have to cut it as you see in the pic to get the uncooked rack into the smoker. They were placed at 4.5" from the smoker top rim. I was getting smoke leaks around the rim of the pot and the top of the SJS that I didn't get on the burn in. I twisted the top and the smoke followed a spot on the top so I might have to tweak it at some point. This concerned me that I might not be getting enough smoke; so I took the top off briefly to see.'

Ribs were great. Not tough. Perfect flavor thanks to Jeff. Finger lickin' good with just a twinge of pepper. Feeling cocky, I decided to try my first ABTs. I had picked some up for $1 a pound. I used cream cheese and colby jack 'cause that's what I had and wrapped 'em in thin sliced bacon. I used a half a strip for each ABT. I was very careful about removing seeds and veins 'cause this wasn't my first rodeo. I got pepper oil under my fingernails. That was a treat for a few hours. I put the ABTs on when the ribs came off. Remember this was first for me and I didn't expect them to turn out. I added a few coals, but I never got the heat above 200*. It took a lot longer for the bacon to crisp at all, and even then it's not quite what I wanted; but I learned more about the smoker and more about ABTs. I only ate 2. (That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!)

Today, I checked the fire results. The basket really helped. (I'll have to build a better one, though). I had used about 30 briquettes and about 10 lit this time with 4 chunks of pecan about 3" cubed. Pecan as burn completely. Briquettes were burned completely, and the can kept my air vents ash free without clogging. Including the ribs and the ABTs, that was about a 6.5 hour smoke. I have shots of the ashes but I'll have to upload them later.




ps: I have much work to do on this long post, reworking the pics to use thumbnails and adding some things that I've done since. My apologies for taking so long to post and for then posting an incomplete story. More to come . . . .
 
Just getting hungry by looking at your ribs
wsmsmile8gm.gif
 
I must say that in reading all 48 pages, I am just a little jealous in how easy it is for some to find the appropriate pot for the mod. Living in Canada it is not as easy. Walmart here does not carry the IMUSA Tamale Steamer.

Anyone on this forum from Canada that may have come across a source for a pot that fits. Or have any ideas around a suitable replacement.
 
Sorry to hear about that, Mark. They are plentiful here but so are folks of Hispanic descent. I would suggest Amazon, but I think there might be problems with international shipments.

If you get really desperate, let me know and I'll ship one to you; but it will be very expensive for the shipping. Pot is only 20USD.
 
I originally posted to this thread 2 years ago with intentions of building one of these. It never happened. However, today I picked up a gently used 1981 SJ for $3. I also noticed Chris posted links for the better tamale pot so one of those is on the way. I will post results when finished.
 
I'm with Mark on this one: no where is a Tamale to be found in the netherlands
icon_frown.gif
at least, not in the usual suspect stores like kitchengadget centers. Did find a boatload of utensils...
icon_biggrin.gif
 
The tamle pot is here. I picked up the nuts and bolts and a couple of clay saucers. I do want a charcoal basket also but am having trouble finding expanded steel. Struck out at Ace, True Value, Menards, Home Depot and the local lumber yard. The only other place I can think of is Tractor Supply.

Arrrgggg! WTH is with the stupid paper label that is super glued to the pot? Why do companies still do this?
 
Lowes has EM. It is wrapped in cardboard and racked with all the other metal pieces they sell in the hardware aisle. They only have 12x24 sheets of it in my store but you can make a basket of that if you lay it out carefully.

Did you get the IMUSA pot? I found that there were only about 4 spots of glue and WD40 sprayed on them generously then left to work for a few minutes allowed me to remove the glue easily. If you got one with more glue, just use more WD40. After you have it all off, wash the pot with Dawn concentrated dish washing liquid and rinse thoroughly then dry.
 
Bob, Thanks for the reply. No Lowes around here. I did find a sheet of EM 12x24x 3/4 at Tractor Supply but they wanted $17 for it. I finally ended up at another HD today and got 2 sheets of EM 12x24x 1/2 for $9 each.

As for the pot, it is the Vasconia brand. I may just end up using a whole can of WD40 on it.
 
Tim, just curious as to why you need to fab a charcoal ring? The trick to these little smokers is getting the longest possible burn times out of them, and by installing a charcoal ring you reduce the amount of space in your charcoal bowl. while yes, they really look nice, IMHO, they actually work against you (and your length of burn time.)
Good luck in your Fab, and if you can find any, "Goo-Gone" will pull the sticker glue right off of your pot. If you cant find it at Wal_mart, you should be able to find it at your local HD.
Tim
 
I finally finished my version of the SJG mini-smoker or as my son calls it, "the rocket".

020kw.jpg


Additional pics can be found here:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1473/014vn.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1311/022qyc.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8274/019pc.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3333/016uge.jpg
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/8826/015vy.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8106/013ss.jpg
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3145/012xkh.jpg

I used the 1880 WSM as the inspration for this build and several spare parts I already had. Here's a brief run down:
-Started with a SJG bottom
-Used 1" aluminum stock, shaped to match the legs of a WSM.
-Bolted the side dampers to the bowl and added one daisy vent to one side for better airflow
-Used the dimensions of the charcoal chamber for an 1880 (found in the product information section of this site) to craft a EM chamber. Bolted 2 charcoal grates together using 2"x5" square bolts which also double as handles for easier ash removal
-Bought a Vasconia pot and removed the handles, cut out the bottom, then removed 1/2 of the lip at the top by hand using a hackswaw blade
-Cut the lip off of a lid of a smokey joe top with an angle grinder, slid the upside down lid from the bottom of the pot to the top of the pot. This seated nicely and formed a lip to hold the lid of the mini smoker
-Used JB Weld to secure the two pieces (I would have preferred another method but couldnt come up with one)
-Painted, then added bolts to hold the cooking grates in place. Excess bolt was ground off
-Sacrificed the water pan from an 18" WSM for the lid (the Brinkmann pan works much better IMO), added a vent, added a thermometer, and bolted on a spare handle.

Ready for action.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

 

Back
Top