Apple Brine Turkey Question


 

Daum

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Hey Guys -

Am making the apple brine turkey from the cooking resources this weekend as a trial run for Thanksgiving. Can you air dry it for ~24 hours too? I have until 10AM this morning to make the brine and put the turkey in it. Then tomorrow can take it out anytime up to probably noon. Planning on smoking it around 10-11AM on Sunday. Thoughts for what my schedule of brine-> air dry -> smoke should be?

Thanks,
Daum
 
I don't think air drying matter much to the meat.

However...be careful with that brine. Do NOT use cider as the acid will make the meat dryer. Also, I find the standard recipe very salty. You can probably find my thread about it in a search.
 
Alan F - Ah crap already did the salt. Should I just dilute the solution a bit with more water? I did about 3/4 cup of the diamond kosher salt. I also was unable to find a non-injected bird, which is why I did about 1/4 less salt than it called for.

Daum
 
There is some disagreement about the benefits of brining a "processed" turkey.I don't find the brine
to be "salty" in a none injected bird.
Cider is fine for a brine. No more acid then "Apple juice". I always use cider when available.
When it isn't... I use frozen juice concentrate. Preferably not from China but...
Air drying is good. However long you can manage is fine. When I can, I let it go 24 hours.
 
Alan F - Ah crap already did the salt. Should I just dilute the solution a bit with more water? I did about 3/4 cup of the diamond kosher salt. I also was unable to find a non-injected bird, which is why I did about 1/4 less salt than it called for.

Daum


Taste it. Is it very salty? If so add some apple juice.
 
First off, don't try to brine your turkey or chicken in cider (or any other acidic marinade, for that matter). Don't do it. Just don't. The acid in the cider will begin the denaturization process of the meat, effectively "cooking" it without heat. The results? Ultra-dry meat with a wrinkled, completely desiccated exterior like this:

http://www.seriouseats.com/2012/11/the-food-lab-the-truth-about-brining-turkey-thanksgiving.html

When I used cider there was an overcooked, stringy texture when cooked to appropriate temp.
 
1. I have brined the pre-brined turkeys and they come out very good. I don't find them to be too salty at all.

2. Alan, when you advise against using cider, what cider are you talking about. To me, cider is just unfiltered apple juice, which would seem to have the same impact as using apple juice. However, if you're talking alcoholic cider or ACV, then I understand. Though I still don't necessarily agree.
 
This came out very good. Only issue was that the skin was a bit tough which I am guessing may due to the temperatures. Here was the schedule for the turkey from brining to cooking:

1. Brined from 10am-10am, ~24 hours.
2. Air dried from 10am - 2pm next day, ~28 hours.
3. Cooked ~3 hours. When I cooked it I just did one chimney of charcoal so took a bit to get up to 325, so probably was too low of heat for majority of the cook which maybe caused the skin to be tough?

Next time will definitely do two chimneys worth so I can get the heat up faster (probably took 1.5 hours or so to get up to 325.). Any other ideas why the skin may have been tough?

It did come out pretty nice looking and everyone loved the taste.

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Daum
 
I'm actually going to do the apple brine recipe on this website next weekend. I'm wondering if you used a rub? Would you use a rub next time or was there enough flavor?

Would you have done it at 350 degrees or was 325 OK?

I read herehttp://www.cookshack.com/store/Smokin-Okies-101-Series/Turkey-101#_Toc56643405 that using cheesecloth and separating the skin from the turkey will help the skin be crispier. Did you do any of that? Just curious to see how well it works?
 
Nice read on Apple Cider vs Apple juice from the mass.gov website for those wondering:

Apple juice and apple cider are both fruit beverages made from apples, but there is a difference between the two. Fresh cider is raw apple juice that has not undergone a filtration process to remove coarse particles of pulp or sediment. It takes about one third of a bushel to make a gallon of cider.

To make fresh cider, apples are washed, cut and ground into a mash that is the consistency of applesauce. Layers of mash are wrapped in cloth, and put into wooded racks. A hydraulic press squeezes the layers, and the juice flows into refrigerated tanks. This juice is
bottled as apple cider.

Apple juice is juice that has been filtered to remove solids and pasteurized so that it will stay fresh longer. Vacuum sealing and additional filtering extend the shelf life of the juice.

The flavor of cider depends on the blending of juice from different apple varieties. The term "flavor" refers to the palatability of a distinct apple juice flavor and the aroma that is typical of properly processed apple juice. Cider makers are most particular about concocting a blend that will create the desired flavor and produce the perfect balance between sweetness and tartness.

Cider needs constant refrigeration because it is perishable. It will stay sweet and unfermented for up to two weeks. Cider can also be frozen, but be sure to pour off an inch or two from the container for expansion during freezing.

A Nutritious Alternative: Although a glass of cider a day cannot guarantee good health, the sweet juice is a good source of potassium and iron. Apple cider is pure and natural with no sugar added. A 6 ounce glass has only 87 calories. Apple cider, like other juices, fruits and vegetables contains no cholesterol. Pectin, contained in apple cider, has been shown to keep serum cholesterol levels down.
 
I didn't use a rub other than some butter. I think I might add some pepper maybe to it? Otherwise the taste of the meat was excellent. I should note I did put a few lemons cut into quarters inside the bird while it smoked (always have done that since I grilled turkeys as it gives it great flavor/mositure).

My guess is that it was my temperature to blame. I'd say that at least 1/2 the time I was 280+ but only for 1/3-1/2 of the time at 320+. I wasn't in the range at all that it says in the recipe of maintaining above 350.
 

 

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