2010 vs 2011 S420


 

P Hanley

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Hello Folks,

I've been lurking for a while and finally joined the group yesterday. After reading several posts, I decided that I was going to break the bank, and go for an S420 instead of an S320. The reasons, heavier grates (better heat retention) and front to back burners. It was very difficult to justify the extra $500 just based on these two areas, but I really hope to have this thing for several years to come.

Now, the question, is there a quality difference between the 2010 and 2011 models?

Thanks!
Paul
 
Welcome to the forum!
The only difference in the 2011 Summit grills is the LP models now have an LED fuel level guage, as well as cast aluminum trim around the doors, side tables and control panel. As far as quality goes...nothing has changed as far as I can tell. Still running the 3/8" rod style grates verses the 7mm on the Genesis, the flavorizer bars are heavier than the Genesis, you get more sq inches of cooking surface plus 8000 more btus, individual snap-jet burner ignition, and last but not least a grill light on the handle! If you compare the Summit next to the Genesis you really can get a feel for how much heavier the grill is. If you can swing the Summit you will not be dissapointed! Ive had both and LOVE my Summit...
 
The Summit S470 is by far the best grill that I've ever had.
The grill is built like a tank and is so heavy that I had a hard time getting it to the back patio.
The Summit has a grill surface light (a very cool thing at night) on the handle that operates when the lid is lifted.
The knobs light up as well (flashy but not needed in my opinion). The Stainless steel cleans up easy and the rest of the grill has easy access for cleaning too.
Would I do it again? Oh yeah!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MichaelB:
Welcome to the forum!
The only difference in the 2011 Summit grills is the LP models now have an LED fuel level guage, as well as cast aluminum trim around the doors, side tables and control panel. As far as quality goes...nothing has changed as far as I can tell. Still running the 3/8" rod style grates verses the 7mm on the Genesis, the flavorizer bars are heavier than the Genesis, you get more sq inches of cooking surface plus 8000 more btus, individual snap-jet burner ignition, and last but not least a grill light on the handle! If you compare the Summit next to the Genesis you really can get a feel for how much heavier the grill is. If you can swing the Summit you will not be dissapointed! Ive had both and LOVE my Summit... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
 
Here's what I've learned about the model year changes.

After a bit of an adventure, I bought an s-420 this past week. Originally went to buy a Genesis 320 in ss, but found Lowes was getting out of the 420 and had them on clearance for $999. Most stores were out or had floor models. Put a floor model on hold, and got 10% off, so net $50 more than the Genesis. I kept looking for a boxed one, and after a few expeditions found one. Turned out to be damaged: control panel and manifold bent. The next day I found a store with a boxed 2011 model. Actually got that one home and set up, then discovered the changes Weber made by using 430 grade stainless steel 2009 models rather than 304 grade. The 430 ss has iron in it, and a magnet will stick to it, while the 304 grade ss uses nickel. Magnet won't stick to that. 304 is more corrosion resistant and stronger than 430.

Looks like the 2009 model used the exact same design, but substituted a lower grade 430 ss. As a result, the doors, side tables, and control panel may not be as strong as the same ones made with 304. I've read about hoods making a pop when heating up, which could also be from the thinner ss in these models. I think that's how the first boxed one I had got damaged: had to take it out of the box to get it in my jeep; they picked it up by the control panel, which may not have been able to support the weight (you're not supposed to do that, I later learned, but the two kids who did it, nor I, knew at the time). That one was made in 2009 (on the door). I suspect from what I've read that some of early 2009 models got some 304 ss on some parts. I also think some late 2008 models started getting some 430 parts as well.

The 2011 model I actually took home and set up had cast aluminum on the door frames and side table frames, as well as the control panel. The SS however was all 430, except the hood door, and side table handles. I think Weber may have realized that substituting 430 for 304 ss on the side tables, control panel and doors made them weak, so came up with the cast aluminum frames on those parts to give them strength. As far as I can tell, I think the 2010 and 2011 are the same 430 ss, but the 2011 model got cast aluminum frame doors.

So, after learning this, I went back to look at the floor model I had on hold. Now armed with a magnet, I found this one was a 2008 model, made in 2007, and all the ss was 304. The side tables and control panel are cut one piece of 304 ss, cut, bent and welded ... solid as a rock. The doors are strong as well. Being a floor model, it had a few scratches, but after a good cleaning it looks great. A hundred dollars less and all 304 ss!

Hope that helps anyone looking at these grills. Weber backs them all the same, so I'm sure any negative impact from these evolutions will be warrantied.
 

 

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